The American Latino

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[anodyne]

This thread is kind of old but since someone posted recently I took a quick look at it. Many historians are aware that Bartolme De Las Casas exaggerated much in his account. That's not saying the Spaniards were very considerate towards the natives but we shoudln't go over board. For example, raping wasn't as common as it was pushed by some propagandists at the time (and later became "factual" when discussing mexican history") Many native woman chose to be pregnant by Spaniards because it raised them up, and obviously there mixed child, in the hierarchy.

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Hey brother you have to admit it ,we spaniards are the best .
we had half of the globe in our hands. Offcourse the countries eventually had to rebel against us.We were called the crown of europe because of our wealth, but our downfall was greed.
As soon as we brought the gold from the new world vanity and greed would take over. spaniards would buy expensive spices imported goods from asia and these stupid things that stopped us from staying wealthy and a world power.
Now going back to the topic of the american latino.
This is an insult.For ME PERSONALLY.the term is not correct first of all.Nobody is a true american. everybody came from somewhere even the native americans.This is nobody s land .and latino what exactly does that mean,maybe because spanish language derives from latin language .well then dark italians and beardless french should be called american latinos too...huh!

[anodyne]

I don't believe that Spain's downfall was because of greed. It had more to do with a small middle class, a general apathy towards industry, and Spain's elite shutting themselves off from new innovations. When people respect the soldier, the cleric, and the lawyer (in other words, the unproductive) rather than the businessman and the artisan then you know you're country is heading for trouble. Also add to that inflation which hit Spain harder than it hit other nations. Come to think of it... Spain didn't really have much of a chance. Spain's world empire from the 16th centurty to the end of the 17th century was more limited than it appeared. Spanish control was only based on areas such as cities, military outposts, and the immediate surroundings. It wasn't until the Bourbons came into power and introduced better adminstraition policies that I'd say Spain had more control of its territories over seas.

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I don' t fully believe that Spain s downfall was because of greed either.I think is one of the main reasons ,yes.We began losing power over territories and started having problems with our own economy .
In anything you do you gotta becareful in how you do it because if you want more and more thats going to be your downfall.Now about the apathy towards industry ,you are right ,and it hurts to say it, but with all the money "in the world 'which spaniard would be really interested in this.For all I know we brought all the new goods from the new world to the old one like chocolate,
potatoes,more gold,vanilla etc...etc...and the french have the privelege to drink their colombian coffee with french vanilla, the italians their fancy cappuccinno with extra creamer,and the Irish ,russian and polish their most loved potatoes....