Post by nockwasright on May 25, 2005 17:23:06 GMT -5
If you quoted the Dao, it wasn't by chance. That phrase on that moment meant something. I think what you meant can be summarised by these words:
"What it's against is the assumption that the answer you get out of a comparison has any absolute meaning. Such ventures of thought is what leads suicide bombrs to bomb and Nazis to Nazi ... Sometimes we choose something because we think it's the best. But that's different from assuming that's really right. Who is to know?"
Thus the phrase was meant to say, you can reach a logical conclusion, but this is not necessarily an absolute truth. I agree on that, but actually all we know and share is logic, what allows us to shape and control the world around us (whatever may it be in an absolute sense) is logic, so this proposition is completely useless.
What is the reason for this argument? I didn't say you were illogical (even if the phrase quoted per se and without your interpretation would be meaningless), but you advocate the right of choosing between a logical and an illogical solution (otherwise I don't see where are you getting at).
I think this useless and detrimental, as it has no real effect on the reasoning but just allows sloppy reasoning with a general watering down of criteria of reasoning itself. Also, I never saw a Daoist (or any one else) accept such relativism when his personal interest was at stake. Would you like to be operated by a surgeon who believes that in the end is correct to make random choices as logic is not the whole truth?
Plus what as this to do with suicide bombers? They believe there is an absolute truth worth their and others lives which is completely non rational. Nazism was a Romantic movement, son if the irrationalism. Rational persons don't explode themseves. Actually the most rational thing to do in a war is to shut your corporal and run. Daoist don't explode themseves too, but following the "non action" they also should not close the gas to avoid exploding.
Finally, western philosophy reached the conclusion that we can't say anything about what really happens in the universe, our heads included, but there is a fine system of thought that allows us to build Mercedes, live long, give the better human solution to all problems, progress in discussions. Out of it there is nothing at all.
"What it's against is the assumption that the answer you get out of a comparison has any absolute meaning. Such ventures of thought is what leads suicide bombrs to bomb and Nazis to Nazi ... Sometimes we choose something because we think it's the best. But that's different from assuming that's really right. Who is to know?"
Thus the phrase was meant to say, you can reach a logical conclusion, but this is not necessarily an absolute truth. I agree on that, but actually all we know and share is logic, what allows us to shape and control the world around us (whatever may it be in an absolute sense) is logic, so this proposition is completely useless.
What is the reason for this argument? I didn't say you were illogical (even if the phrase quoted per se and without your interpretation would be meaningless), but you advocate the right of choosing between a logical and an illogical solution (otherwise I don't see where are you getting at).
I think this useless and detrimental, as it has no real effect on the reasoning but just allows sloppy reasoning with a general watering down of criteria of reasoning itself. Also, I never saw a Daoist (or any one else) accept such relativism when his personal interest was at stake. Would you like to be operated by a surgeon who believes that in the end is correct to make random choices as logic is not the whole truth?
Plus what as this to do with suicide bombers? They believe there is an absolute truth worth their and others lives which is completely non rational. Nazism was a Romantic movement, son if the irrationalism. Rational persons don't explode themseves. Actually the most rational thing to do in a war is to shut your corporal and run. Daoist don't explode themseves too, but following the "non action" they also should not close the gas to avoid exploding.
Finally, western philosophy reached the conclusion that we can't say anything about what really happens in the universe, our heads included, but there is a fine system of thought that allows us to build Mercedes, live long, give the better human solution to all problems, progress in discussions. Out of it there is nothing at all.