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Post by alexandrian on May 22, 2005 19:29:49 GMT -5
This is just ridiculous. The fact that there is a topic on ancient Egyptians on a forum about East Eurasia and that there is going to be on a forum about Chinese history is simply laughable, hilarious, and outright pathetic. Are Afrocentrists really this desperate for attention that they're willing to talk to anyone who's willing (or not) to listen?
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Post by topdog on May 22, 2005 23:56:09 GMT -5
I'm not doubting you, but could you at least direct me to the thread where this happened? I'd like to see this with my own two eyes. What is your problem with me? because my views don't agree with the so called 'important majority' in this forum that doesn't make me some sort of an outcast to be despised. Or is this because I despised alex[refuting kemp type] on his board basically for fostering and encouraging the type of divisive racial thinking[Afros and Nords vs Meds, *SIGH*, and constantly arguing about Southern European whiteness? give me a break] lunacy he allowed on his now defunct RMMB? I really can care less. I'm not going to leave. Edited to remove personal insults. Faelcind say's "This is not a forum for immature flaming and name calling don't resort to it. I have warned you enough times don't let it happen again."
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Post by topdog on May 23, 2005 0:02:41 GMT -5
Charlie, a smart man once asked me this question...what's more important, putting internet rejects in check while compremising your education, or taking care of your business and setting yourself (and your family) up for a good future? As a God fearing Christian maybe you will identify with this passage from the Quran: "As for the disbelievers, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe" (2:6) I think all of us have exhausted our viewpoints on a couple of matters we disagree on dodona. Your opinions are there to be read, by anyone who wishes to, and a scholar with an objective mind will be his own personal judge as to what he considers fact, what is opinion and what is ad-hominem . I am making a pledge to not talk about things I have already in the past, I believe we should all make this pledge and have some variety in our interests, lets go for a change. I've tried repeatedly and so have Minstrel, to talk about more than just Egypt when it comes to Africa but everytime thats done some morons in here usually resort to the lame relativist "it doesn't compare to Egypt, Europe, Indian, or China" argument, as if to say if it isn't like those civilisations listed above its not a 'real' civilisation. That really infuriates me. There have been some open minded people who have provided positive feedback, but the majority feel that Africa is primitive if it isn't like the civilisations of those I listed. People need to either read up about these other areas of Africa they know little about or shut up and listen to somebody who does know.
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Post by Minstrel on May 23, 2005 3:06:29 GMT -5
Yeah, people like mike, faelcind and human2 are cool, fairly objective folks, they don't seem to have an agenda or anything, thats what makes them respectable, and I aspire to that. But then you have those on the opposite end of the spectrum (I.E. alexandrian, berter) berter being the most extreme example, who if I saw in real life I would probably whoop his ass if he said that shit around me, but people like him can hide behind the safety and anonymity of the internet and be tuff guys.
I am also tired of people ("chest-pounding") as erudite says about their "civilizations" "achievements" and other dumbshit like that, like they actually created them. People seem to over-identify with the group here.
And for the last time africa was not neccessarily "primitive". Some parts were but everyone has been (i.e. north europeans). Why single out SSA's? It all goes back to colonialism and slavery and the need to justify the treatment of SSA's at the time. East africans and west africans, but east africans especially were fairly advanced with a mercantile urban culture.
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Post by nockwasright on May 23, 2005 3:38:51 GMT -5
some morons in here usually resort to the lame relativist "it doesn't compare to Egypt, Europe, Indian, or China" argument, as if to say if it isn't like those civilisations listed above its not a 'real' civilisation. That really infuriates me. There have been some open minded people who have provided positive feedback, but the majority feel that Africa is primitive if it isn't like the civilisations of those I listed. People need to either read up about these other areas of Africa they know little about or shut up and listen to somebody who does know. I don't know if I am in this list of morons you talk about, but comparing a civilisation to another is exactly the opposite of relativism. Relativism would be saying all civilizations are equal and not comparable to each other. Which by the way would be stupid. The information about SSA civilisations are welcomed. Comparison with other civilisations, however, is what you have to expect. Things are known and understood by comparison, you couldn't use even the concept of civilisation without the comparison between civilised and non civilised society. If this angers you, this is just your problem. By the way, you say you find tiresom the "chest pounding" about the achievements of distant ancestors, but seem to be quite emotionally moved by the assumed achievements of SSA.
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Post by topdog on May 23, 2005 3:51:36 GMT -5
I don't know if I am in this list of morons you talk about, but comparing a civilisation to another is exactly the opposite of relativism. Relativism would be saying all civilizations are equal and not comparable to each other. Which by the way would be stupid. The information about SSA civilisations are welcomed. Comparison with other civilisations, however, is what you have to expect. Things are known and understood by comparison, you couldn't use even the concept of civilisation without the comparison between civilised and non civilised society. If this angers you, this is just your problem. By the way, you say you find tiresom the "chest pounding" about the achievements of distant ancestors, but seem to be quite emotionally moved by the assumed achievements of SSA. I wasn't talking about you, I was speaking about those individuals who try to use the presumed 'primitiveness' of some African civilisations as a platform to chest-pound about the achievements of 'their' people or race.
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Post by Dodona Underground on May 23, 2005 4:16:47 GMT -5
What is your problem with me? None. I enjoy tweaking melodramatic people. You're a die-hard, hold-the-line-at-any-cost, aggressive polemicist like.......Berter. It's not my cup of tea but it's fine and works well with this kind of board. But now and then you guys get so soap-operatic, I have to blow some raspberries. Look, if I'm wrong about you and if you're the man and Berter is the chimp as human2 says, prove it and make a fool of me. I'm sure that human2 would appreciate it. constantly arguing about Southern European whiteness? give me a break] lunacy he allowed on his now defunct RMMB? Are you topdog?? Why didn't you answer me there? Actually, I think that you've answered me here. If constantly arguing about Southern European whiteness gets as old as constantly arguing about North African blackness, then I can see why you got tired of the old whiteness arguments at least. But if what I've seen at Dodona is any indication, you're wrong about the bigger point. I've noticed many people here who never get involved in these North Africa discussions and if these discussions ended tomorrow, this board would only slow down a little for a while then reaccelerate in another direction. I know, Scarlet O'Hara. And if you want to IM me those insults that were deleted, go ahead.
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Post by Minstrel on May 23, 2005 4:25:53 GMT -5
Well its just that we as african-americans have been constantly bombarded by bullshit concerning our history (primitive savages, fetishists,mud hut dwellers etc) which is not neccessarily true. So you must understand, it is a relief and a wonder to come across findings (such as timbuktu) that contradict that stereotype. Nobody wants to look bad in the eyes of others.
We are not revishionists, we just want the truth, because for the last 400 years it has been greatly distorted.
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on May 23, 2005 5:25:17 GMT -5
How about concentrating on African negroid civilisations which have absolutely nothing to do with any other races! North Africa is the interface with European caucasoids. East Africa and Egypt is the interface with West Asians of whatever race, caucasoid, Dravidian, Indian, SE Asian, in other words, a mixed bag of races and cultures. It is rather pathetic to consider Egypt and much of East Africa as being a culture that derives from West African negrids, that is the group referred to as sub saharan Africans, not Berbers or Egyptians or KhoiSanid or Malagasy. Every group that is so fervently fought over is not sub saharan African or West African negrids and owes nothing to those people. Egypt was not that much anyway. Mohenjo-Daro is civilised. Egypt is just large funerary buidings and make-up. There are later but much better civilisations in Meso America which if I were American I would be far more interested in than those silly superstitious fools in Egypt. Akhenaten is the only one worth anything. Rameses, the Great?, is just a power hungry bore. Being an American black does not mean you are an idiot or worthless so why behave like that on internet forums when Egypt or those northern parts of the continent are mentioned. If you have negroid African inheritance in West Africa, learn about it, be content with it, but leave the other parts of Africa alone as they never were part of your heritage.
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Post by topdog on May 23, 2005 5:55:48 GMT -5
How about concentrating on African negroid civilisations which have absolutely nothing to do with any other races! North Africa is the interface with European caucasoids. East Africa and Egypt is the interface with West Asians of whatever race, caucasoid, Dravidian, Indian, SE Asian, in other words, a mixed bag of races and cultures. It is rather pathetic to consider Egypt and much of East Africa as being a culture that derives from West African negrids, that is the group referred to as sub saharan Africans, not Berbers or Egyptians or KhoiSanid or Malagasy. Every group that is so fervently fought over is not sub saharan African or West African negrids and owes nothing to those people. Egypt was not that much anyway. Mohenjo-Daro is civilised. Egypt is just large funerary buidings and make-up. There are later but much better civilisations in Meso America which if I were American I would be far more interested in than those silly superstitious fools in Egypt. Akhenaten is the only one worth anything. Rameses, the Great?, is just a power hungry bore. Being an American black does not mean you are an idiot or worthless so why behave like that on internet forums when Egypt or those northern parts of the continent are mentioned. If you have negroid African inheritance in West Africa, learn about it, be content with it, but leave the other parts of Africa alone as they never were part of your heritage. *YAWN* *SIGH*
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Post by amksa on May 23, 2005 6:32:16 GMT -5
hehe, this was brilliant. Completely off topic: are you an artist, Amska? yeah, i'm a professional writer : i write positive and touching science fiction stories for kids.
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Post by nockwasright on May 23, 2005 8:47:09 GMT -5
yeah, i'm a professional writer : i write positive and touching science fiction stories for kids. I knew (if you are not kidding me)! Well classifying from writing style gives even more satisfaction than classifiying sub racially, we should open a guess what I do section. Ok, sorry to interrupt the topic, end of it.
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Post by Minstrel on May 23, 2005 12:19:07 GMT -5
How about concentrating on African negroid civilisations which have absolutely nothing to do with any other races! North Africa is the interface with European caucasoids. East Africa and Egypt is the interface with West Asians of whatever race, caucasoid, Dravidian, Indian, SE Asian, in other words, a mixed bag of races and cultures. It is rather pathetic to consider Egypt and much of East Africa as being a culture that derives from West African negrids, that is the group referred to as sub saharan Africans, not Berbers or Egyptians or KhoiSanid or Malagasy. Every group that is so fervently fought over is not sub saharan African or West African negrids and owes nothing to those people. Egypt was not that much anyway. Mohenjo-Daro is civilised. Egypt is just large funerary buidings and make-up. There are later but much better civilisations in Meso America which if I were American I would be far more interested in than those silly superstitious fools in Egypt. Akhenaten is the only one worth anything. Rameses, the Great?, is just a power hungry bore. Being an American black does not mean you are an idiot or worthless so why behave like that on internet forums when Egypt or those northern parts of the continent are mentioned. If you have negroid African inheritance in West Africa, learn about it, be content with it, but leave the other parts of Africa alone as they never were part of your heritage. Hardbottles , Civilizations being in east africa does not make them less "negroid" , west africans come from east africa lol (probably the sudan/ethipia area), we did'nt just spring outta nowhere. Only recently (in the last thousand eyars) have my ancestors migrated to west africa. We are not some sort of oucast africans, we are part of the same family that includes pygmies and khoisan. Bantu's (who created swahili culture and zimbabwe) are of west african origin. Apparently we still have adherents to the "true negro" contruct. There is no such thing, there is much variation in west-central africa. Why can't people just stop being ignorant on this board for atleast one day? Some you people are just hopeless.
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Post by topdog on May 23, 2005 13:18:45 GMT -5
Hardbottles , Civilizations being in east africa does not make them less "negroid" , west africans come from east africa lol (probably the sudan/ethipia area), we did'nt just spring outta nowhere. Only recently (in the last thousand eyars) have my ancestors migrated to west africa. We are not some sort of oucast africans, we are part of the same family that includes pygmies and khoisan. Bantu's (who created swahili culture and zimbabwe) are of west african origin. Apparently we still have adherents to the "true negro" contruct. There is no such thing, there is much variation in west-central africa. Why can't people just stop being ignorant on this board for atleast one day? Some you people are just hopeless. Good post Minstrel, I would have done it myself but I'm tired of posting information to him. Its apparent he doesn't know what he's talking, since when did North Africa become a part of European history? One does not classify history based on race; East African history doesn't belong to West Asia, no East African will agree with this. A Somali would want an Arab laying claim to anything in Somalia. I don't understand why he thinks he can speak for other people. he should practice what he preaches and worry only about himself or Europe for that matter.
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Post by Soomaal on May 23, 2005 22:06:01 GMT -5
Good post Minstrel, I would have done it myself but I'm tired of posting information to him. Its apparent he doesn't know what he's talking, since when did North Africa become a part of European history? One does not classify history based on race; East African history doesn't belong to West Asia, no East African will agree with this. A Somali would want an Arab laying claim to anything in Somalia. I don't understand why he thinks he can speak for other people. he should practice what he preaches and worry only about himself or Europe for that matter. WTF, I dare you to ask a Somali what he thinks of Arabs and what they have to do with Somalia, stop speaking jibberish for once. WTF do Somalis and Arabs have in common other than religion, nothing at all. So stop your idiocy while your ahead.
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