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Post by Soomaal on May 14, 2005 15:16:49 GMT -5
Alexandrian you make me laugh.
Never have I seen a masri talk about some mediterrainean culture. Wallahi from what I have seen they would welcome me before any Italian or Portugese. Even today I talked to some Lebanese guy; he asked if I was Sudani and I told I am Somali he said your Somalis are our Arab brothers or something like that. This isn't the first time this happened either.
9/10 times an Arab will relate more to a black Sudani than to an Italian, thats reality.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:16:53 GMT -5
hehe.. That's all you could come up with? Dude, that just shows how clueless and self-absorbed you are, because every civilization has accomplishments of that sort. I'm not going to make it into a my-civilization-is-better-than-yours game. That's just childish. Not every civ can claim to be the "first" to do something. That's like giving credit for the automobile to everyone in the world since cars exist everywhere but they are a wholly American accomplishment.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:17:25 GMT -5
Alexandrian you make me laugh. Never have I see a masri talk about some mediterrainean culture. Wallahi from what I have seen they would welcome me before any Italian or Portugese. Even today I talked to some Lebanese guy; he asked if I was Sudani and I told I am Somali he said your Somalis are our Arab brothers or something like that. This isn't the first this happened either. 9/10 times an Arab will relate more to a black Sudani than to an Italian, thats reality. Was this Lebanese guy Muslim or Christian? Not many Egyptians I know really consider Somalis to be ARabs. Oh and was this guy selling you something? I mean when I go to a Turkish restaurant or deli and tell them I'm Egyptian I get a small discount for being a "neighbor". Egypt doesn't neighbor Turkey.
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Post by Soomaal on May 14, 2005 15:18:56 GMT -5
Was this Lebanese guy Muslim or Christian? Muslim this is beside the fact, I was hired by an Arab Christian who thought I was a northern Sudani before.
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Post by Wadaad on May 14, 2005 15:19:23 GMT -5
I realize that its subjective and that I don't speak for all Egyptians. However, do realize that as an Orthodox Christian originally from Alexandria, it's not unreasonable to feel part of a Mediterranean community. Ancient Egypt was a Mediterranean Basin country. Large influxes of Greeks and Asiatics makes even more trans-Mediterranean mixing and interaction in Egypt likely (but not to such an extent to change the race of the population). Thus, because of the large trans-Mediterranean trade of knowledge and people, I can lay claim to a larger Eastern Mediterranean community, not just restricted to Egypt. Add to this recent, non-Egyptian Mediterranean blood, and I feel like part of something bigger than Egypt, but still restricted to the Mediterrranean Basin region. Aren't I entitled to my own beliefs? Of course you are entitled to your beliefs, Alex...But since your beliefs are based on numerous, subjective (ie personal) stipulations...why should an African-American's need to feel linked to Ancient Egypt cause offense? They were both from the same continent, hell perhaps an AA just liked the cool looking head gear Thutmose had on, and thars why he feels a connection ...basically, my point which I'm sure am boring you with by now is that all of the things that cause argument are not concrete. sorry for being so repetitive but i insist on the importance of what im saying
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:20:39 GMT -5
Muslim this is beside the fact, I was hired by an Arab Christian who thought I was a northern Sudani before. Trust me, his being Muslim isn't beside the point at all. Muslims do feel a somewhat Islamic brotherhood of which Somalia is clearly a part. Most Copts and Maronites I know try not to associate themselves with Saudis and Gulf Arabs, though they do feel some connection to Iraqis and Palestinians.
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Post by Soomaal on May 14, 2005 15:20:46 GMT -5
Was this Lebanese guy Muslim or Christian? Not many Egyptians I know really consider Somalis to be ARabs. Oh and was this guy selling you something? I mean when I go to a Turkish restaurant or deli and tell them I'm Egyptian I get a small discount for being a "neighbor". Egypt doesn't neighbor Turkey. No I met him in the masjid. I know what you mean, I use to get free snacks some times from this Masri gas station because I was Muslim.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:22:27 GMT -5
Of course you are entitled to your beliefs, Alex...but that is also another point. Since your beliefs are based on numerous, subjective (ie personal) stipulations...why should an African-American's need to feel linked to Ancient Egypt cause offense? They were both from the same continent, hell perhaps an AA just liked the cool looking head gear Thutmose had on, and thars why he feels a connection ...basically, my point which I'm sure am boring you with by now is that all of the things that cause argument are not concrete. sorry for being so repetitive but i insist on the importance of what im saying I wouldn't care if African-Americans were interested in ancient egypt. I get pissed when they try to say they were related to the ancient Egyptians or that the AEs were their ancestors or that the ancient Egyptians were black or that the ancient Egyptians fled to Nigeria and that the modern Egyptians are just strangers to the land. I've heard them all. Most African-Americans only care about the Ancient Egyptians because of "race" and that is a fact and that is what angers me because the AEs had about as much to do with West AFrica as the Chinese did.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:31:25 GMT -5
Earthquake detector and pi accurate to the tenth decimal the Chinese were first with pi calcuated to the tenth decimal place in the 5 century AD. Chinese also discovered Pythagoras theory later independently. If you even read the link I gave you, which you clearly didn't, you would see that the Egyptians, in around 1000 BC, pegged the value of pi at 3.16, very close to our modern 3.14. Furthermore, in ancient times we too had a ten-based decimal system, and were the first to discover Pythaogrean triples like "3,4,5". I'm not gonna go through the trouble of posting all the listings, just check out the www.eternalegypt.org link. www.eternalegypt.org/EternalEgyptWebsiteWeb/HomeServlet?ee_website_action_key=action.display.topics&language_id=1
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Post by MC anunnaki on May 14, 2005 15:35:44 GMT -5
I realized the first statement was terribly inappropriate. Nevertheless, it showed your true colours and it showed them quite well. Grow a spine and stand up for what you think about black Africans. That's like blaming modern Chinese for the ancient practice of foot binding. Accomplishments and contributions last much longer than some disgusting pieces of guilt. You don't get it. If you can take pride in something you had nothing to do with, then why can't I blame your for something you didn't do?
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Post by Tautamo on May 14, 2005 15:38:09 GMT -5
In your dreams. please, do not compare the achievements of a religious CITY with great civilizations like India or china. Axum just prooves that a negroid influence does not make you inferior (if you use it in that context, it's fine). i find it odd that you have something to say.we can flip this around: what have berbers done? besides move to france in huge numbers ;D
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:38:32 GMT -5
Big f*cking deal. The world didn't revolve around you. It doesn't revolve around you. Egypt has a SS African component fright from the beginning. Get on with your life. haha..classy buddy...after you post pages and pages of alleged chinese accomplishments you get pissed off about one little link. The concept of race wasn't even involved in the last few posts, why do you always default to race? Because you're ashamed of you're own? Does having an alleged SSa component make Ancient Egypt a worse place? Can you prove this component. Egyptians are still in the Caucasian race, and still closer to most Europeans than Chinese people are. Does that make us better? No.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:39:34 GMT -5
Big f*cking deal. The world didn't revolve around you. It doesn't revolve around you. Egypt has a SS African component right from the beginning. Get on with your life. You're not that special and you never were. That;s what I find funny about you and Berter. Posting this shyt and that shyt as if everybody is impressed with it. Hahaha..I get on with my life? After you spend hours of your day posting about North Africans as if you actually had an ounce of knowledge about North Africa or the Middle East.
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Post by Wadaad on May 14, 2005 15:40:16 GMT -5
i find it odd that you have something to say.we can flip this around: what have berbers done? besides move to france in huge numbers ;D Igu is a hardcore ideologist...he will come up and say "Berbers didnt do anything spectacular, I agree, but my point about negroes and lefties/commies still stands" you just watch, lol.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:41:32 GMT -5
You don't get it. If you can take pride in something you had nothing to do with, then why can't I blame your for something you didn't do? It's not something I had nothing to do with. My ancestors had something to do with it and its in my blood. You can blame me for their past crimes, I really don't give a shit, but that goes hand in hand with giving me credit for their past accomplishments. Do both or nothing, whatever you want, I really don't care. People today still blame Jews for killing Jesus.
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