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Post by Wadaad on May 15, 2005 14:22:08 GMT -5
Because it's an exaggeration. Egyptians have a Middle Eastern culture. They are genetically closest to Middle Easterners and oftentimes are closer to (southern)Europeans than sub-Saharan Africans. Why is that so hard for you to admit? Ancient Egyptians had cultural affinities with present day people of Horn of Africa, namely Somalis and Ethiopians, check this out: the broad bracelets, the chest and neck ornaments, etc <--- Beja girl <--- Somali lady <--- Somali girl <--- Egyptian hair for wigs <--- Ancient Egyptian "pillow" (headrest, so that hair does not get crumpled in sleep) <--- Somali headrest <--- Ancient Egyptian "fashion" of wearing linen kilts <--- Somali herders -Female circumcision (in Somalia its called Pharaonic circumsicion btw) -Zar rituals (called Saar in Somali) Linguistic relationship of Anceint Egyptian and modern AfSomali Egyptian: Somali Ra: Ra (The sun) Neter: Neder (divine being) Hipo: Hibo (the sound b doe not exist in Hamitic languages - gift) Horus: Huur (a stork) Tuf: Tuf (spit) Habi (the Nile): Wabi ( a river) Ar: Ar ( a lion) cb: kab (shoe) brq: biriq (lightning) ayah: Dayah (moon) dab: dab (fire) anka: aniga (I) su, :asu usi (he) Ka: Ka, Kaah (spirit) medu: muud (liquid) so I dont think I am exagerrating when I say Egypt is as African as anything else
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Post by mike2 on May 15, 2005 14:29:14 GMT -5
If that wacky Wally Mo guy is right about anything, it's that there is definitely some semblance of a relationship there.
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Post by alexandrian on May 15, 2005 14:31:57 GMT -5
Let's take this one by one. First off, I'm not surprised there were some links between ancient Egyptians and East Africans in ancient times. However, the links seem a bit shaky. The beja girl and the Somali lady definitely do not look like Egyptians, even ancient ones. Although those girls in the wall painting may look slightly Aethopid, they are a bit too light I'd say with some different features. And not all Egyptians look like them. We see a huge diversity in the way Egyptians portrayed themselves in wall paintings and in sculptures. I can post pictures to prove my point if you'd like.
As for the wig- are you sure it was made of Egyptian hair? Clearly Egyptians associated curly hair with Nubians, for there are war marks calling Nubians "the curly-haired" and wigs like the own shown were referred to as "Nubian" wigs by the ancient Egyptians. Most Ancient Egyptian works portray themselves as being straight-haired. The fashion of linen kilts was prevalent throughout the ancient world, not just in Ethiopia and Egypt. Also, its clear Egyptians had a little more in common with East Africans than Sudanese, but wasn't Sudan a huge blockade to interaction between Aethopids and Egyptians? And if they were related why couldn't Egyptians find the Horn of Africa until the time of Hatshepsut? They had been trading with other Middle Eastern civilizations much earlier than that.
Egyptians also had a lot in common with the ancient civilizations of the Middle East. And, a lot in common with the Mayans, but that doesn't mean Egyptians and Mayans were related.
By the way, that statue of the Egyptian family is an excellent example of diversity in Egyptian art.
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Post by Wadaad on May 15, 2005 14:32:10 GMT -5
If that wacky Wally Mo guy is right about anything, it's that there is definitely some semblance of a relationship there. Hey Mike do you know where Wally's from? is he a Somali by any chance?
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Post by santana on May 15, 2005 14:47:04 GMT -5
whoever said that egyptians are linked to ssa more than mediterranean groups genetically, dont know what they are talking about.,.. they need to do some research and see all the DNA samples and experiments done proving that egyptians are closer to minoans, greeks, sardinians, etc.. and besides this is what ppl dont get..if u would go to egypt and asked an egyptian who do u feel closer to they will answer mediterranean SO WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK... egyptians see themselves in a certain way who gives a crap what other ppl perceive them as...
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Post by nockwasright on May 15, 2005 18:17:53 GMT -5
You all will NEVER tire of talking about Egypt will you?
We can call the thread any name from "I'm gone" to "do you believe in UFO", then leave the keyboard an hour and then scroll "...Nubians...King Tut...Braudel and Med unity ..."
Biggest Egyptian's feat in the last 3k years is inspiring The Bangles. But the song was written by Prince, so even this is tainted by SSA blood.
Ok sorry now you can go on ... Pyramids ... couldn't cross the Sahara ... could cross the Sahara ...
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Post by Yankel on May 15, 2005 21:24:38 GMT -5
whoever said that egyptians are linked to ssa more than mediterranean groups genetically, dont know what they are talking about.,.. The thing is, no one said anything close to that. I did point out that Egypt is an African country, despite a certain someone's effort to disassociate it from its African neighbors.
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Post by Wadaad on May 15, 2005 22:38:31 GMT -5
You all will NEVER tire of talking about Egypt will you? We can call the thread any name from "I'm gone" to "do you believe in UFO", then leave the keyboard an hour and then scroll "...Nubians...King Tut...Braudel and Med unity ..." Biggest Egyptian's feat in the last 3k years is inspiring The Bangles. But the song was written by Prince, so even this is tainted by SSA blood. Ok sorry now you can go on ... Pyramids ... couldn't cross the Sahara ... could cross the Sahara ... All of us here listen up, one of these days I'll find out a way to make serious money out of this Ancient Egypt shit, sorry Alex. I know I may infringe on some patriotic "i got first dibs law" or whatever...but seems like theres a huge demand for info on Egypt. I may write a book or something
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Post by gelaye on May 16, 2005 13:17:23 GMT -5
hey wadaad - i swear ive heard of something saying that Ancient Eygiptian civilisation was initially founded by aethiopids (or ethiopians or somalis or sumthing)
it may be some piece of afrocentric bullshit but i have heard of it somewhere and my mum tells me that the whole time (shes ethiopian!) lol so thats a first hand source hahaha
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Post by mike2 on May 16, 2005 13:27:27 GMT -5
LOL.. "I got first dibs!" All this talk of Egypt has sparked an interest in me to find out about it too. Pffffft, sez jooz, woman! I'm not gonna let this Egypto-craze leave me empty-handed!
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Post by kirusabi on May 18, 2005 16:26:21 GMT -5
"The physical differences between Europeans and Negroids are arguably somwehat more prononced than the physical differences between Europeans and Indians or Europeans and Mongoloids, and this might have been a contributing factior to their uniquely harsh treatment."
bullocks...
still standing with my firm belief and anyone with commonsense will agree that there areonly three races if we continue to ignore the possibility that we actually are but one race-
the differences between negroids and any other race is not anymore pronounced, this in reference to mongoloid caucasoid and negroid. true negroids posess wholly hair as the initial poster put it, maybe thats what it is god knows, none of the others mongoloids or caucasoids can relate to the hair type- but negroids and caucasoids cannot relate to slanted webbed eyes and neither can mongoloids and negroids to blonde hair.
if you look at all three, the differences are interchangeable, mong and cauc through hair, mong and neg through noses and cauc and neg through eye shape- but they all posess something the other doesn't more or less
to go back to the topic of why negroids are treated differently with the hair thing aside, i think it does date back t slavery, i do not believe that it was intended that blacks would always be at arms with other races, it just so happens that that was the race chosen to endure the long slavery that happened, and so, negroids insociety had stepped up to the plate angering whites because of free thought and whatnot, and angering other subraces (minorities) because they seem to be getting all the attention because of it.
thats my two cents
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