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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 14:53:11 GMT -5
Mesoamerican civilization was very sophisticated. You have no idea. It didn't diffuse when it covered the whole of Central America? Do you know how big it is? How did Egypt diffuse? And... Little is left over because the Spanish flattened them with disease, slaughter and brutal rule. First fossil evidence of Amerinds was 8,000 years ago, while people in Egypt have been settling in towns for the past 15,000 years. It was pretty rapid development for a people who just got out of Siberia. Mesoamerican civ. started with the Olmecs, which is 3,000 years old, not starting from 10th century B.C. Do you know how large the Aztec and other Mesomaerican capitals/cities were? They housed hundreds of thousands of people. Teotihuacan had separate quarters for various ethnic groups even.. cosmopolitan. They also had higher mathematics, renowned architecture (invented 0 for one thing), one of the most accurate calendars. A list of Mesoamerican civilizations, each with their own writing, for you to check up on: Miztecs Toltecs Aztecs Zapotecs Mayans Olmecs Egypt had a trememndous amount of cultural diffusion with the Greeks and other civs of the Middle East and to a certain extent, Nubia. We are the ones who taught the Greeks about the existence of Atlantis when their records were incinerated when AThens was burned. The Olmecs were tremendously backwards, the only people that actually accomplished something of note in mesoAmerica were the Mayans and Aztecs. What did the Aztecs do to help the world? Having a system of writing isn't enough and actually not all of those civs had a proper writing system. You guys can keep spoting you PC Bs but face it, all of our current knowledge as a people comes from the Mediterranean Basin and maybe a little of China.
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Post by Wadaad on May 14, 2005 14:54:36 GMT -5
LMAO at this medocentrist. What will you benefit from being so proud of the meds
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Post by MC anunnaki on May 14, 2005 14:56:10 GMT -5
Okay, okay, but while your people were playing with monkeys. My people were trading history with the Greeks, conquering the Nubians and Palestine, performing brain surgeries, treating broken bones, and developed the first 365-day calendar. Don't you just love collective pride. Pray tell, do you agree with collective guilt as well?
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 14:56:20 GMT -5
LMAO at this medocentrist. What will you benefit from being so proud of the meds I just feel more in tune with Mediterranean culture, history and way of living and feel as if its part of my heritage. Alexandria was always a Mediterranean city. But how am I being medocentric? Will you deny that Egypt and other Mediterranean civs were more impressive than MesoAmerica or WEst Africa? I know you're reasonable Wadaad..
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 14:56:20 GMT -5
LMAO at this medocentrist. What will you benefit from being so proud of the meds I just feel more in tune with Mediterranean culture, history and way of living and feel as if its part of my heritage. Alexandria was always a Mediterranean city. But how am I being medocentric? Will you deny that Egypt and other Mediterranean civs were more impressive than MesoAmerica or WEst Africa? I know you're reasonable Wadaad..
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 14:56:46 GMT -5
Don't you just love collective pride. Pray tell, do you agree with collective guilt as well? Guilty of what?
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Post by MC anunnaki on May 14, 2005 15:01:03 GMT -5
Just a question. If you think collective pride is okay ("my people blabla", "our race blabla") then why not collective guilt. Can I blame you for various stupidities done by both ancient and modern Egyptians? If no, why not?
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Post by Wadaad on May 14, 2005 15:04:51 GMT -5
Alexandrian considering "mediterranian culture" similar is subjective at best, and affinities with fellow meds solely based on that would do some good to Palestinians and Israelis perhaps..Or, a fellow Egyptian may have more affinity with a muslim negro from Gunea Bissau than with you based on your religion...subjective, plain and simple.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:07:49 GMT -5
What did Egypt help the world with again? Which is better, a myth about Atlantis or gun powder? yes, gunpowder helped the world tremendously. We were one of the first civs to brew beer The first civ to come up with a 365-day solar calendar Our knowledge of Atlantis and how we shared it with the Greeks shows that we took historical records and we also had cultural diffusion with neighboring civs WE built the Great Pyramid, which was the tallest building in the world for 4500 years, from its conception if 2500 BC to the completion of the Tour d'Eiffel The first people to prescribe treatment of a fever First people to perform brain surgeries, however primitve First people to treat broken bones And there's a bunch of other stuff that i'm not aware of.
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Post by MC anunnaki on May 14, 2005 15:08:07 GMT -5
Why did you change your quote from "f*cking with monkeys" to "playing with monkeys", Alexandrian?
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Post by MC anunnaki on May 14, 2005 15:09:18 GMT -5
yes, gunpowder helped the world tremendously. We were one of the first civs to brew beer Unlike beer, you mean? In what way has beer helped the world?
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:11:14 GMT -5
Alexandrian considering "mediterranian culture" similar is subjective at best, and affinities with fellow meds solely based on that would do some good to Palestinians and Israelis perhaps..Or, a fellow Egyptian may have more affinity with a muslim negro from Gunea Bissau than with you based on your religion...subjective, plain and simple. I realize that its subjective and that I don't speak for all Egyptians. However, do realize that as an Orthodox Christian originally from Alexandria, it's not unreasonable to feel part of a Mediterranean community. Ancient Egypt was a Mediterranean Basin country. Large influxes of Greeks and Asiatics makes even more trans-Mediterranean mixing and interaction in Egypt likely (but not to such an extent to change the race of the population). Thus, because of the large trans-Mediterranean trade of knowledge and people, I can lay claim to a larger Eastern Mediterranean community, not just restricted to Egypt. Add to this recent, non-Egyptian Mediterranean blood, and I feel like part of something bigger than Egypt, but still restricted to the Mediterrranean Basin region. Aren't I entitled to my own beliefs?
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:12:32 GMT -5
Why did you change your quote from "f*cking with monkeys" to "playing with monkeys", Alexandrian? I realized the first statement was terribly inappropriate.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:13:53 GMT -5
Just a question. If you think collective pride is okay ("my people blabla", "our race blabla") then why not collective guilt. Can I blame you for various stupidities done by both ancient and modern Egyptians? If no, why not? That's like blaming modern Chinese for the ancient practice of foot binding. Accomplishments and contributions last much longer than some disgusting pieces of guilt.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 15:15:13 GMT -5
hehe.. That's all you could come up with? Dude, that just shows how clueless and self-absorbed you are, because every civilization has accomplishments of that sort. I'm not going to make it into a my-civilization-is-better-than-yours game. That's just childish. THat's all I know off of memory. I'm not that into ancient Egypt. I find modern and colonial Egyptian history to be a lot more interesting. But still. Also, I didn't even mention accomplishments in Hellenic Alexandria. Here's a link if you actually care, which I doubt you do: www.eternalegypt.org/EternalEgyptWebsiteWeb/HomeServlet?ee_website_action_key=action.display.topic.details&language_id=1&trait_item_id=10000003A lot of stuff on that website. It's pretty cool and transcends all aspects of Egyptian history.
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