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Post by Igu on Mar 13, 2005 15:59:00 GMT -5
I never said they were'nt pure negroid phenotypically, they are what we get the definition "negroid" from. What I said is that they are a relatively recent group, they are not ancient and they have predecessors such as pygmies. Recent or not, the true negroid/black exist. Because they have Berber and Pygmy blood. I have no Bias of SS, they are what they are, I have black friends and all..etc. But I feel closer to Europeans/Middle Easteners than to SS-people, genticially and culturally. and all my people feel the same. you can't change that. if you feel some brotherhood just know that it is not reciprocal. Then do not touch to egypt. few nations can have a noble heritage, it's a probalistic thing, unfortunately for you, you got the least noble heritage. you might feel inferior but unlike you I don't feel inferior even though I don't have a noble heritage.
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Post by Minstrel on Mar 13, 2005 16:09:54 GMT -5
archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2005/02/06/story188064.aspIf I'm not mistaken, one of the largest pan-african (rastafarian) bashes was thrown in ethiopia last month. Hardly a people who wish to dis-associate with other blacks. Why is it with african groups they are separate races but with europeans they are still "white" or "caucosoid"? Don't get me wrong, africa is home to the most genetic diversity in the world, but something here seems hypocritical. Disregarding phenotype differences, african groups are'nt a whole lot different from each other. All african groups (and indeed, all human groups) today can trace their ancestry back to san hunter-gatherers. Pygmies are not "congoid" you are focusing on phenotype. They constitute a separate group too, one of the oldest.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 16:13:53 GMT -5
.......................................Okay.....somebody has a fertile imagination. THe connection between Egypt and Nords seems to be much stronger than the connection between Egypt and WEst Africans
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Post by Igu on Mar 13, 2005 16:17:49 GMT -5
Why is it with african groups they are separate races but with europeans they are still "white" or "caucosoid"? Because metrically they are too different, but in the case of caucasoids it isn't.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 16:27:21 GMT -5
Because metrically they are too different, but in the case of caucasoids it isn't. Yep, that's pretty much it. You have to understand also, Minstrel, that Inside Africa was written in the 1950's during the reign of Haile Selassie, who was the Ras Tafari. The Rastafari movement did not really begin until after his death and all that. West Africans just assumed (thanks to ignorant white American biases) that Ethiopians were just as black as they were and therefore that the Rastafarian movement was their inheritance... and well, there you go. That's all I have to say about that.
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Post by Minstrel on Mar 13, 2005 16:35:19 GMT -5
that does'nt mean anything
I am merely pointing out various valid points, suchas upper egyptians having geneflow from the south, which ofcourse is'nt far-fetched. Nubia ruled egypt as the 25th dynasty, and they played "back-and-forth" in upper egypt, grabbing and retreating land.
Pygmies are in central africa, not west-africa. Maybe they fulani have berber admixture, but I dout it for ghanians.
That is good for you, nobody should. And noone should especially be coasting off the achievements of those who just look like them from the past, create your own history.
As for SS african heritage, that is entirely subjective. Some of the best music I've ever heard has roots in SS africa. And much of the cultural richness from past civilizations like Loango is overlooked or neglected.
.................................Egypt was next door to nubia (sudan), which is home to the blackest people in the world. And nubians are nilotes, who are related to west africans, and share linguistic ties to the wolof of west africa.
In contrast, northern europe is many hundreds of miles away from egypt, separated by expanses of forest, and populated by blond, blue eyed, pale skinned poeple. It shares absolutely nothing linguistically or culturally with egypt. Scandanavians were among the last european groups to the civilized.
Surely you should make a re-assessment.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 17:06:52 GMT -5
It's true that the Fulani and Wolof have undergone considerable Berber admixture, but since when do Ghanaians have non-Negroid features? The Akans, Brong Ahafos, Dagbanis, Dagombas, Ewes, Gas, Ga-Adangmes, Mole-Dagbanis, Twis, and many other Ghanaians look nothing like the Fulani and Senegalese. The peoples of Ghana are Negrids through-and-through whereas the Fulanis are predominately mixtures of Sudanid, Negrid, and Berber types. ![](http://www.1arkamilmago.com/images/akan.jpg) Akan ![](http://www.marshall.edu/akanart/images/OSTT2B2.JPG) Akan ![](http://www.africabookcentre.com/acatalog/Asante.jpg) Akan ![](http://69.41.227.74/GHP/img/pics/news/80092075.optim.jpg) Ga People ![](http://ling.ucsd.edu/ling19/ling19langdis/language%20images/twi%20%20king%20tutu%20ii.jpg) Twi ![](http://www.immanuelbible.net/worldmissions/images/dagomba.jpg) Dagomba ![](http://www.friedensjournalismus.de/bilder/koenig2.jpg) Dagomba ![](http://www.biblesociety.org/sr_25/25_p13.jpg) Ewe ![](http://www.muhealth.org/~sight/ghana20.jpg) Ewe ![](http://www.gosahara.org/fulani.jpg) Fulani ![](http://www.geocities.com/fon_is_fun/images/Fulani_Woman.jpg) Fulani ![](http://www.bgcworld.org/newstand/Upbeat/fulani%20man.jpg) Fulani ![](http://www.kepa.fi/images/y2001/0219_mali3.jpg) Fulani ![](http://www.antoranz.net/CURIOSA/ZBIOR4/C0406/20-QZD01052_ART31-016p082_Fulani%20men.jpg) Fulani ![](http://www.fulaflute.net/images/kikala.jpg) Fulani
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 19:07:27 GMT -5
.................................Egypt was next door to nubia (sudan), which is home to the blackest people in the world. And nubians are nilotes, who are related to west africans, and share linguistic ties to the wolof of west africa. In contrast, northern europe is many hundreds of miles away from egypt, separated by expanses of forest, and populated by blond, blue eyed, pale skinned poeple. It shares absolutely nothing linguistically or culturally with egypt. Scandanavians were among the last european groups to the civilized. Surely you should make a re-assessment. Egypt was hundreds of miles away from West Africa as well. The early Nubians were not pure Nilotes, I don't think, and even today Nubians are not pure Nilotes, only south Sudanese are. Nubia was the only black civilization to interact with Egypt (and Punt was part-black but that was much later on, during the Middle Kingdom) whereas Egypt interacted with numerous Mediterranean civilizations (Greeks, Macedonians, Minoans, ETruscans) who probably interacted with Slavs. Most of Egypt's early trading and political partners were Near Eastern.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 20:27:39 GMT -5
Yes, regardless of their racial origins, the Egyptians had much more to do with the Near East than they did with the rest of Africa. Do any of you people honestly think the Egyptians had any clue about the existence of West Africa? Of course not. It was hundreds of miles away. Like Alex said, the only black civilizations the Egyptians came in contact with were nearby Nilotic ones.
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Post by santana on Mar 13, 2005 20:45:06 GMT -5
i agree
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 13, 2005 21:04:49 GMT -5
Yea the fruit cake Arthur Kemp,how sad he even unsurprisingly touched up the photo's to make them appear blond and blue eyed. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 21:16:59 GMT -5
Wow. Honestly I really don't want to be saying this as I've always hated Nordicists. But the amount of pictorial and physical evidence provided by Stormfront is far more credible and plentiful than that of AFrocentrists. I don't agree with what they have to say, but they provide some good ancient depictions and pictures. I really doubt that Egypt was an ancient Nordic empire though, just as much as I doubt that it was an ancient Black Empire. Though the fact that blondism and red-hair-ism were present in Egypt is proof that the AEs were Caucasoid.
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Post by topdog on Mar 14, 2005 2:19:25 GMT -5
It's true that the Fulani and Wolof have undergone considerable Berber admixture, Fula and Senegalese have weak mixture. The Fula with the highest amount of mixture are those in Nigeria and that figure is only 18% mtDNA, and its an extremely ancient mixture predating Berbers. Wolof look pure African. (?) Evidence? ]
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Post by topdog on Mar 14, 2005 2:22:25 GMT -5
Wow. Honestly I really don't want to be saying this as I've always hated Nordicists. But the amount of pictorial and physical evidence provided by Stormfront is far more credible and plentiful than that of AFrocentrists. Insert rolling eyes for this statement. Having blond mummies in Egypt doesn't give more credit to their position, blondism doesn't equal Nordic.
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Post by topdog on Mar 14, 2005 2:29:27 GMT -5
Because metrically they are too different, but in the case of caucasoids it isn't. Thats a lie. In Africa the differences aren't due to outside mixture. I found this on another website "The cultural, economical and political events which have been sketched above induced vast expansions and migrations, many of which were northward or southward, crossing the climatic and vegetation zones. These zones themselves shifted northward or southward with time, the forest front advancing north during the climatic optimum in the Sahara, and retreating southward when the Sahara dried up. From what has been said about climatic adaptation in Chapter 6, it can be deduced that changes of climatic zone released selection afresh in the populations concerned. However, several tens of generations, or even a hundred, are needed to attain a new genetic equilibrium. many populations of the Western Sudan have lived in their present environment for too short a time to have reached the equilibrium state of climatic adaptation. It is therefore all the more striking to see how clear is the statistical association between human morphology and vegetation zones in sub-Saharan Africa, even after excluding Elongated Africans, Pygmies and Pygmoids. From the Sahelian arid zone to the rain forest, stature gradually decreases, the nose and face becomes gradually broader in proportions, and the head becomes slightly rounder. As pointed out repeatedly, the factors of these morphological clines lay in the environment, not in gene flow from North Africa or Arabia." The People of Africa Jean Hiernaux pgs 156-157
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