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Post by topdog on Mar 22, 2005 4:36:21 GMT -5
I think Haile Selassie's a good example of an Amhara if there ever was one. ![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0b/180px-Hallies.jpg) Bad example, most Amahars don't look like him and Selassie is a Sidamo, not an Amhara.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 22, 2005 4:37:43 GMT -5
Alas, nothing new under the sun. Good luck with your quest, brother TopDog. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) EDIT: Is he really a Sidamo? Didn't know that. Always assumed he was Amhara seeing as how he claimed he was descended of David and all that. A Sidamo... I guess that would mean he is an Eastern Highland Cushite. He is very Caucasoid-looking. Might be one reason I took him for Amhara.
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Post by topdog on Mar 22, 2005 4:41:22 GMT -5
LMAO I don't think you understand, there is no debate here. I am talking about my clan, which is made up of an Oromo branch and the other who had a Habash mother, This is actually documented by my clan. I just don't understand how people who have a mother who is Harari/amharic and an Arab father could have less mixture than an Amharic. Of all the Somali clans only one claims to be pure, they live in the southern region and even they say their patriarch is buried in the northern Somalia. I'm not debating you, who said I was doing that? maybe you clan is unique and if your clan was tested maybe results would be yielded. The study said 201 Somalis were tested and since the political situation in the south[which I think included Mogadishu] the results could have came from the north, or at least it would seem more likely. I see your point, thats like saying how can one say African-Americans are only 18-20% Caucasoid when I [I'm speaking of myself personally here] have a Native-American grandmother? I'm not shooting you down at all.
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Post by Soomaal on Mar 22, 2005 4:44:36 GMT -5
![](http://www.ocha-eth.org/Photos/photos/People/OromoWomenchildrenNew.jpg) Do most Oromos look like these people? They're Nilotesque-looking to me. Oromo's vary from what I have seen, to me they are the exact same thing as Somalis, we might have split of not to long ago. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) Here are some pics. www.oromo.com/images/Koloneel_Alamuu.jpg[/img] This lady looks exactly like a Somali to me ![](http://www.comtechreview.org/spring-2003/grybeck.jpg) These people look like everyday Oromo's ![](http://img132.exs.cx/img132/1733/ab0069782cq.jpg) This woman is also Oromo, but to be honest, I have never seen one that looked anything like here ![](http://home.planet.nl/~romei017/ethiopianet-photo-section-photo-003.jpg) Most Oromo's I have seen look like these kids ![](http://img132.exs.cx/img132/7418/oromo1ciyaal4bx.jpg)
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Post by topdog on Mar 22, 2005 4:45:11 GMT -5
Alas, nothing new under the sun. Good luck with your quest, brother TopDog. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) EDIT: Is he really a Sidamo? Didn't know that. Always assumed he was Amahara seeing as how he claimed he was descended of David and all that. A Sidamo... I guess that would mean he is a Cushite. That story about David and Solomon and the Queen of Sheba is more myth than fact. The Kebra Negast, from whence that myth is derived, was written by the Cushitic-speaking Zagwe, not by Amharas or Tigre. Most Amharas use it to justify their authority over Oromo and Somalis in the Ogadan(sp?).
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Post by mike2 on Mar 22, 2005 4:47:01 GMT -5
I don't doubt it. I just assumed since Selassie was of that inclination he would have been part of the Amhara ruling class.
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Post by Soomaal on Mar 22, 2005 4:49:51 GMT -5
That story about David and Solomon and the Queen of Sheba is more myth than fact. The Kebra Negast, from whence that myth is derived, was written by the Cushitic-speaking Zagwe, not by Amharas or Tigre. Most Amharas use it to justify their authority over Oromo and Somalis in the Ogadan(sp?). LOL I know they use it to justify their authority over Oromo, about the Ogaden region; Somalis and Habashis(Amhara/Tigray) have had bad blood since the beginning of time. The Somalis conquered Oromo's from the northern Somalia forcing the Oromo's to live in southern ethiopia and other regions.
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Post by Soomaal on Mar 22, 2005 4:55:37 GMT -5
Bad example, most Amahars don't look like him and Selassie is a Sidamo, not an Amhara. Selassie was an Amhara, his father was an Amhara, I believe his mother was an Oromo. Sidamo's are a nomadic cushitic people, they would never hold such a postion in Ethiopia.
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Post by topdog on Mar 22, 2005 5:08:26 GMT -5
Selassie was an Amhara, his father was an Amhara, I believe his mother was an Oromo. Sidamo's are a nomadic cushitic people, they would never hold such a postion in Ethiopia. Nope, it appears he was of Tigrean and Oromo ancestry, but he was born in the Sidamo province. Here's a breakdown of his ancestry by a site I found: Emperor Haile Selassie I was born on July 23,1894,as Lij Taffari Makonnen at Enjersa Goro, just outside the city of Harrar. His parents were Ras Makonnen Wolde Michael, the governor of Harrar, and his wife, Woizero Yeshimebet Ali AbaJiffar. Ras Makonnen was the son of Dejazmatch Wolde Michael Wolde Melekot, a noble of Doba in norther Shewa. Ras Makonnen's paternal grandfather was Ato Wolde Melekot Yemane Kristos a Tigrean noble from Tembien who had moved to Shewa. Ras Makonnen's mother however was Woizero Tenagnework Sahle Selassie, daughter of King Sahle Selassie of Shewa, sister of King Haile Melekot of Shewa, and aunt to Emperor Menelik II of Ethiopia. Ras Makonnen was thus the first cousin of Emperor Menelik II and a member of the Solomonic Dynasty. Woizero Yeshimebet his wife was the daughter of Dejazmatch Ali AbaJiffar, an Oromo chieftan of Wollo, and his wife Woizero Welete Giorgis Yimeru, a Gurage woman once married to Ras Darge Sahle Selassie (Menelik II's uncle). Woizero Yeshimebet died before her son was 2 years old. Ras Makonnen had an elder son Yilma whom he did not aknowledge until later in life (some say after Yilma saved his fathers life during the battle of Adowa). Dejazmatch Yilma Makonnen was Emperor Haile Selassie's only sibling, and was the father of four children, Kegnazmatch Sehalu Yilma, Kegnasmatch Asfaw Yilma and Dej. Mengesha Yilma, and Her Highness Princess Yeshashework Yilma. Ras Makonnen had several siblings however. His elder sister Ihite Mariam had a daughter Mazlekia, who was married to Fitawrari Haile Selassie, and was the mother of Ras Imiru Haile Selassie, who was to be the Emperor Haile Selassie's life long companion and close confidant. As Ras Makonnen spent a great deal of time traveling on diplomatic business for Emperor Menelik, so he entrusted the care of his son Taffari to Fitawrari Haile Selassie. Therefore, Taffari grew up with Imiru more as brothers rather than cousins. Lij Taffari also was cared for by his maternal grandmother Woizero (later Emahoi after taking vows and becoming a nun) Welete Giorgis, and his maternal aunt Woizero Mammit. The boys were given the traditional education given to the children of Ethiopia's aristocracy. They were taught by Orthodox priests, and could recite the psalms in Ge-ez by age six. They were ordained deacons and served as such at Harrar's St. Michael's Church. Later, Ras Makonnen approached a French Catholic Capuchin monk residing in Harrar, Father Jarresseau to teach the boys. The Catholic priest taught them French, geography, world history, philosophy and some latin as well. Over the next years, Taffari also picked up English, and German, as well as the Ethiopian languages of Amharic, Tigrigna and Oromigna(called Galligna in those days) and became a scholar in Ge-ez His father: www.angelfire.com/ny/ethiocrown/Haile.htmlNotice that he looks different from his father.
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Post by Soomaal on Mar 22, 2005 5:14:41 GMT -5
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Post by mike2 on Mar 22, 2005 5:19:57 GMT -5
Whatever he was, he looked pretty damn badass when decked out in his regal costume. Lion of Ethiopia, indeed.
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Post by topdog on Mar 22, 2005 5:33:29 GMT -5
Whatever he was, he looked pretty damn badass when decked out in his regal costume. Lion of Ethiopia, indeed. He was a dictator.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 22, 2005 6:25:22 GMT -5
I don't think anybody cares. He was the Ras Tafari. Whatever that means.
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