Kame
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Post by Kame on Mar 13, 2005 14:58:02 GMT -5
Alexandrian,.. buddy, ..........you're a fanatical caucasophile, just as zealous and misguided as afrocentrists. Let's just leave it at that.
NEXT!
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 15:03:44 GMT -5
Alexandrian,.. buddy, ..........you're a fanatical caucasophile, just as zealous and misguided as afrocentrists. Let's just leave it at that. NEXT! Just as misguided as Afrocentrists? Far from it. I am an actual Egyptian and thus have far more credibility to speak about Egyptians than any West African negro. West Africans/Afro-Americans have ZERO connection to Ancient Egypt whatsoever. NONE AT ALL. Furthermore, why don't you show me a Congoid mummy to prove my hypothesis wrong. Of course you can't. You're the fanatic who can't handle truth. If you went to egypt, you'd stick out like a sore thumb.
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Post by imhotep06 on Mar 13, 2005 15:38:37 GMT -5
The issue with Ta-Merry has been settled a long time ago with real Egyptologist. It only carries on because layman who have no history of ancient Kmt or knowledge as to its development want to argue. I have placed the evidence for anyone to see and NOT ONE has refuted any of the findings. Kmt is a Johnny Come lately civilization. It is an almagamation of various African civilizations. Not Persian or Arabics that are there now. The Qustul evidence (escavated by Bruce Williams) clearly shows where the tenants of Kmt and its culture and people come from. It comes from the south. Kmt didn't become Kmt until the 11th dynasty. It was part of the Nehesu empire and was simply called "Hnu" (the interior) before and during the first intermediate period. "Egypt" didn't start in "Egypt" but in Ta-Seti and it is undisputed in this day and age. And also, for whomever has the elementary notion that the "West Africans" couldn't have crossed the "Shahara" has no history on African geology. The Sahara was once plush land that grew crops and received heavy rainfall. From 10,000 to 3000 BCE, the Sahara and the northeast Nile Valley experienced what is called the "Nabtian Pluvial" period - a period of heavy rainfall, before being succumb to extremely arid climates with sparse precipitation. _schotch RM, "Redating the Great Sphinx of Giza," KMT(3)2, Summer 1992, p55. The process of desertation began "during" the old and middle kingdoms on Ta-Merry history. Please get your facts straight. What you "people" pose goes against all evidence in existence and has no basics in facts. Please provide your evidence or be quiet. That's why you all haven't provided jack to refute the evidence. How in "Allah's" name does humanity start in the Nile Valley, spread out then the inhabitants from other parts of the world, only for them to miraculously come back to start a "civilization" that they couldn't start in their host countries? You can't even explain phenotypically how the "lighter skin" persians, arabs, turks" developed in a region, according to Gloger Laws, must have dark pigment. You are johnny come lately and I don't know why you are trying to claim heritage to something you have no clue of what has developed. Here is a map of human migration based on "genetic" researce of the past 15 years: www.mochasuite.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2301&KW=migratYou still haven't dealt with the Qustul and Ishango Bone evidence. More evidence of Nile Valley's souther orgins www.mochasuite.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2546&PN=5Subterranean Mining and Religion in Ancient Man www.mochasuite.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1492&PN=11Article on Qustul evidence Once again layman, do some research before opening your mouth to sound stupid.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 16:10:09 GMT -5
I have placed the evidence for anyone to see and NOT ONE has refuted any of the findings. Kmt is a Johnny Come lately civilization. It is an almagamation of various African civilizations. Not Persian or Arabics that are there now. . hahahaha....What black civilizations existed before Egypt? NONE You're a joke. YOu haven't posted a single piece of decent, dependable evidence. Posting thread from a stupidly Afrocentric website like mochasuite doesn't help your case
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Post by Minstrel on Mar 13, 2005 16:56:41 GMT -5
There is evidence that suggest nubia (kerma) developed concurrently with egypt, maybe even preceding it, but more likely at the smae time.
I remember there was a huge article a few years ago, that suggested the idea that maybe egypt got its "divine king" idea from nubia.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 17:08:49 GMT -5
There is evidence that suggest nubia (kerma) developed concurrently with egypt, maybe even preceding it, but more likely at the smae time. I agree with this. It's the most likely conclusion.
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Post by imhotep06 on Mar 13, 2005 18:29:09 GMT -5
I already gave you the link to Bruce Williams' research in Ta-Seti. Please read before you respond. I am waiting on your evidence "johnny come lately." And Egypt is latter. The Qustul evidence at cemetary L in nubiA concludes this. hahahaha....What black civilizations existed before Egypt? NONE You're a joke. YOu haven't posted a single piece of decent, dependable evidence. Posting thread from a stupidly Afrocentric website like mochasuite doesn't help your case
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Post by santana on Mar 13, 2005 18:35:08 GMT -5
imhotep are u egyptians btw..
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 19:00:18 GMT -5
imhotep are u egyptians btw.. Of course not. He's a radical Afrocentrist black American who hasn't provided a link of credible evidence. One excavated site proves nothing. The fact is that Egypt is the first large-scale civilization on the African continent and in the Mediterranean basin. Undeniable. Now, Imhotep, you haven't provided any source for making the heinous claim that the AEs were black. Furthermore, Egypt only came into early contact with a single African civilization- Nubia/Kush. Most of Egypt's trading partners, political allies/rivals, military allies/rivals were Near Eastern. How can it be called an "amalgalm of various African cultures" when it only interacted with one?
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 19:14:25 GMT -5
You're right, Imhotep. The Egyptians did come from the south. They came from Punt. They came from the south, therefore they must be black African! Wahoo! Nevermind the Red Sea and southern Arabia and all that jazz!
Secondly, the Sahara being a happy-go-lucky highway for hundreds of happy-go-lucky black Africans is completely infallible! Wahoo! I guess because people could traverse the Sahara that means they absolutely must have!
Crazy Johnny-come-late-lies trying to cheat darkie out of his glorious, civilization-spreadin' heritage! When will they ever learn that they must bow before their black masters in a sea of negritude whence they shall be struck down mightily by Booga-Booga, archtemplar of the Nehesu? Verily I say unto you, the black man will reclaim his heritage!
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 19:19:30 GMT -5
You're right, Imhotep. The Egyptians did come from the south. They came from Punt. If they came from the South then why do they show so many genetic affinities with native North African Berbers? The ancient Egyptians were probably very closely related to Capsian Berbers.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 19:26:34 GMT -5
If they came from the South then why do they show so many genetic affinities with native North African Berbers? The ancient Egyptians were probably very closely related to Capsian Berbers. Because Capsians and Egyptians are both Hamites. At one point in time all of these people were identical. There is so much evidence to suggest they came from Punt it's not even funny. It's people like Imhotep who distort everything by suggesting that because they came from the south, hey-- they must be black! They forget about the Red Sea, which is the most likely route the Hamites took into the Horn of Africa. Once they arrived, they kept movin' on up. The Capsians moved into Libya (the Chadites probably followed them before moving south into Negro areas), the Egyptians moved into Egypt, and the Cushites and Omotes pretty much stayed in East Africa and mixed with Nilotes. There were also Cushites in southern Arabia. White Cushites. There you have it. A common sense history to the Caucasoid theory of the Hamitic expansion out of Asia. Now time for Imhotep to come and "disprove" everything I said in one mighty thunderbolt of black power! Wahoo! I can hardly wait.
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Post by shango on Mar 14, 2005 19:19:14 GMT -5
Because Capsians and Egyptians are both Hamites. At one point in time all of these people were identical. There is so much evidence to suggest they came from Punt it's not even funny. It's people like Imhotep who distort everything by suggesting that because they came from the south, hey-- they must be black! They forget about the Red Sea, which is the most likely route the Hamites took into the Horn of Africa. Once they arrived, they kept movin' on up. The Capsians moved into Libya (the Chadites probably followed them before moving south into Negro areas), the Egyptians moved into Egypt, and the Cushites and Omotes pretty much stayed in East Africa and mixed with Nilotes. There were also Cushites in southern Arabia. White Cushites. There you have it. A common sense history to the Caucasoid theory of the Hamitic expansion out of Asia. Now time for Imhotep to come and "disprove" everything I said in one mighty thunderbolt of black power! Wahoo! I can hardly wait. Mike, it's the other way around. The AfroAsiatic and Nilo-Saharan speaking Blacks in the Sahara going back up to 10,000 BC drew millions of frescoes across the northern half of Africa. They created a culture which was the precursor to Nubia, Egypt and West Africa's Sahelians. They were the archers, pastoralists, and nomads whose descendants are Tuaregs, Haratin, Peul(Fulani), Songhay, Hausa-Zarma, Shilluks and countless others along the Nile and Sahara and Sahel. These are Blacks. The Berbers along the Northern coasts in the Rif and Kabylie are not the main descendants. That's why the folk tales of these others groups can give insight to AE when leucoderm Berbers cannot. The West Africans are part of this complex. And if you'd ever took the time to study their religions and folk tales and customs it would be so very clear. But, it's like someone in Europe saying "the world must be flat", while other Europeans go west to the Americans and experience new worlds. So, I am too busy learning about what you say soes not exist. Shango (West African deity of thunder, music, magic, and more)
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 14, 2005 20:10:06 GMT -5
The folk tales of black African groups have nothing to do with ancient Egypt. What are you getting at. It is absolutely clear that the Egyptians differentiated strongly between themselves and their black AFrican neighbors. The only black group that had early contact with the Egyptians were Nubians/Kushites. Most of Egypt's early political, cultural, and trading partners were Near Eastern, Eastern Med, or Libyan.
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Post by santana on Mar 15, 2005 0:05:41 GMT -5
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