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Post by k5125 on Feb 4, 2005 14:40:41 GMT -5
According to Burger King, it does.
On the side of the burger king bag this month, it says Salute to Black History, and I quote..
"Black history didn't just start with the Pyramids in Egypt or with the march to Washington..."
Now, at first I mocked this claim and was laughing, but I just talked to a black american online who says that many black americans do descend from the ancient Egyptians.
So now he has my curiousity going. At first I thought it was just a major goof up by Burger King, but is there really some validity to this claim afterall?
I mean, obviously, there was no doubt that at least some Egyptians were black, but I think the claim being made here is that the civilization itself was predominately black including the pharoahs and everyone else, which makes it part of Black History month.
What do you think about this?
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Post by nordicyouth on Feb 4, 2005 14:53:16 GMT -5
My unequivocal answer?
No.
The perception of Africans as Negroid in itself is a relatively recent perception (as Dienekes has pointed out).
I don't concern myself with historical biases such as these. It's not as though any Afro-centricists are going to enter any reputable university and pull off an essay on the subject.
Some nations simply don't have much of a history - if one is to assume that history is conquest and economic exploitation.
As NuSapiens would have it, the new mixed (Polynesian-looking) human race is evolving beyond today's low norms - and the denziens of New York and Rio de Janeiro are leading the way. Apparently not, if the oppressed one is trying unsuccessfully to rewrite history.
A supertanker loaded with tissues wouldn't be able to equal the sadness of Afro-centrism's version of Ancient Egypt.
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Post by visigodo on Feb 4, 2005 14:58:06 GMT -5
I think perhaps there may be some validity to Blacks claiming responsibility for the construction of those monuments. The people who constructed the ancient pyramids were not believed to be your average run of the mill Egyptian citizens. The people who are believed to have created those monuments are thought to have been slaves; so SSA as well as the Jews and to some extent the local Egyptian population can claim responsibility for the construction of those monuments.
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Post by BabylonLion on Feb 4, 2005 15:00:59 GMT -5
Egyptians had Black and Jewish slaves. That's it.
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Post by k5125 on Feb 4, 2005 15:08:32 GMT -5
Egyptians had Black and Jewish slaves. That's it. Now I agree with that. That makes perfect sense. Perhaps I was reading Burger King's message wrong, but it seemed like they were implying that Egypt, the whole civilization was black, which quite honestly I find very hard to believe. I guess it really doesn't matter either way, but it just caught my interest, especially since some black americans seem to believe this. I remember seeing even some music videos that featured images of the pyramids and the pharoahs, attempting to connect them to black history. Michael Jackson and Tupac come to mind, but I am sure there were others.
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Post by k5125 on Feb 4, 2005 15:10:39 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I have heard other strange claims such as the ancient israelites and the ancient babylonians were really black people.
I have even been to some black history websites that say that the ancient greeks were black.
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Post by Berter on Feb 4, 2005 15:15:23 GMT -5
I think perhaps there may be some validity to Blacks claiming responsibility for the construction of those monuments. The people who constructed the ancient pyramids were not believed to be your average run of the mill Egyptian citizens. The people who are believed to have created those monuments are thought to have been slaves; so SSA as well as the Jews and to some extent the local Egyptian population can claim responsibility for the construction of those monuments. When we talk about the merit of the construction of pyramids, it is the deseign and enginnering abilities that come 1st to mind, not the manual work... My (non-racist) answer : NO
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Post by BabylonLion on Feb 4, 2005 15:16:43 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I have heard other strange claims such as the ancient israelites and the ancient babylonians were really black people. I have even been to some black history websites that say that the ancient greeks were black. LMFAO All of those people have artifacts or depictions of how they looked...LOL @ Black. I have seen some Afro centric sites, and it is CRAZY. They go on to claim China was Black, India was Black, Europe and the Middle east was Black, basically it was a black world till the cursed albino man was born and moved north. LMFAO
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Post by Berter on Feb 4, 2005 15:19:33 GMT -5
If the deseigners/enginners of the pyramids and the other elements of the egyptian civilisation were Jews or Blacks, we would have similar or comparable works in their homelands (Middle east and black africa, respectively).
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Post by k5125 on Feb 4, 2005 15:20:32 GMT -5
Thats interesting because I am not sure if you are familiar with the Nation of Islam's original doctrine, but I think it had something to do with an evil scientist named Yaqub who created the white race as test to the black man's superiority.
Funny stuff. I think thats how it goes anyway.
Ironically the Nation of Islam was actually started by a man named Fard I think, who was quite white in appearance. Some speculate that he had roots in Turkey or Syria.
Later Elijah Muhammed took over.
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Post by visigodo on Feb 4, 2005 15:28:38 GMT -5
There is no construction blueprint left for us to admire, Berter. When I look at anything which has been constructed be it the Twin Towers in NYC, the Sears Towers, or the ancient Pyramids I can not appreciate one aspect without appreciating the other aspect which went into it, especially when physical labor is involved. Although I appreciate the design and engineering feat that went into it I also cannot help but admire the blood and sweat that went into creating these marvels.
I think if you speak to any architect, the first thing he would tell you is that his vision would not come to pass without the hard work of the men around him helping him to see his vision through. The ancient Pyramids are more of astonishment when one considers the lack of compensation these people received.
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Post by Igu on Feb 4, 2005 15:28:57 GMT -5
Egyptians had Black and Jewish slaves. That's it. the majority of the slaves were native egyptians, and they built them to reach the heavens along with the pharaoh. and even if the majority of the slaves were blacks the merit wouldn't go to them... the working class is always Interchangeable.
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Post by Berter on Feb 4, 2005 15:39:18 GMT -5
There is no construction blueprint left for us to admire, Berter. When I look at anything which has been constructed be it the Twin Towers in NYC, the Sears Towers, or the ancient Pyramids I can not appreciate one aspect without appreciating the other aspect which went into it, especially when physical labor is involved. Although I appreciate the design and engineering feat that went into it I also cannot help but admire the blood and sweat that went into creating these marvels. I think if you speak to any architect, the first thing he would tell you is that his vision would not come to pass without the hard work of the men around him helping him to see his vision through. The ancient Pyramids are more of astonishment when one considers the lack of compensation these people did not receive. Comparison of different human races is always done on the basis of their mental/intellectual ability...
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Post by Kame on Feb 4, 2005 15:49:29 GMT -5
Why is that? Why is is that anything that is great is attributed to europeans or arabs, and if the question of whether 'blacks" created it, it's total blasphemy. People tried to connect the ruins of great zimbabwe to shipwrecked pheonicians, israelites and such,because they simply could *not* beleive that africans created it. Of course it was later discovered that it was in fact africans that created that civilization, it would be absurd and silly to think they did'nt. You say what does black africa have to show for it "egyptian" acheivement? What about rome? Zimbabwe collasped and was abandoned just before the europeans arrived, it's only in ruins now. Simple economics really, you see, they relied on trade with the eastern swahili city states, when that was disrupted by the portugese around 1600 they went into decline. Personally I don't think it's entirely hard to beleive that egypt was black at all. Or atleast predominantly black or mulatto. The ancient greeks often remarked on similarities between the "ethiopians" (or nubians) , the egyptians and the settlers of ancient colchis. Egypt shares incredible cultural and religious similarities with nubia. There is enough historical commentary to conclude that the egyptians were atleast part-black. The discovery channel even has specials on egypt that were shown recently that depicted the egyptians as black. It's not far-fetched or "afrocentrist" to consider egypt black, it's completely plausible. Just because black people are'nt particularly accomplished now does'nt mean they will be, history is still being made. Ofcourse the romans would have laughed 2,000 years ago if I had said this about the scandanavians, whom they regarded as barbarians, but look at germany and scandanavia now. I swear to God, sometimes,I get the impression that this site is stormfront-lite. sulk on this and let's debate: ![](http://www.getanimals.com/oc/tabgirls.jpg) ![](http://www.arthistory.upenn.edu/smr04/101910/Slide2.44.jpg) ![](http://www.dignubia.org/maps/timeline/img/b3200-egyptian-troops.jpg) Sheesh, probably 2,000 years from now, europeans will be saying that hip-hop was created by white people because it came out of new york ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by k5125 on Feb 4, 2005 15:54:35 GMT -5
Why is that? Why is is that anything that is great is attributed to europeans or arabs, and if the question of whether 'blacks" created it, it's total blasphemy. People tried to connect the ruins of great zimbabwe to shipwrecked pheonicians, israelites and such,because they simply could *not* beleive that africans created it. Of course it was later discovered that it was in fact africans that created that civilization, it would be absurd and silly to think they did'nt. You say what does black africa have to show for it "egyptian" acheivement? What about rome? Zimbabwe collasped and was abandoned just before the europeans arrived, it's only in ruins now. Simple economics really, you see, they relied on trade with the eastern swahili city states, when that was disrupted by the portugese around 1600 they went into decline. Personally I don't think it's entirely hard to beleive that egypt was black at all. Or atleast predominantly black or mulatto. The ancient greeks often remarked on similarities between the "ethiopians" (or nubians) , the egyptians and the settlers of ancient colchis. Egypt shares incredible cultural and religious similarities with nubia. There is enough historical commentary to conclude that the egyptians were atleast part-black. The discovery channel even has specials on egypt that were shown recently that depicted the egyptians as black. It's not far-fetched or "afrocentrist" to consider egypt black, it's completely plausible. Just because black people are'nt particularly accomplished now does'nt mean they will be, history is still being made. Ofcourse the romans would have laughed 2,000 years ago if I had said this about the scandanavians, whom they regarded as barbarians, but look at germany and scandanavia now. I swear to God, sometimes,I get the impression that this site is stormfront-lite. sulk on this and let's debate: ![](http://www.getanimals.com/oc/tabgirls.jpg) ![](http://www.arthistory.upenn.edu/smr04/101910/Slide2.44.jpg) ![](http://www.dignubia.org/maps/timeline/img/b3200-egyptian-troops.jpg) Sheesh, probably 2,000 years from now, europeans will be saying that hip-hop was created by white people because it came out of new york ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Kame, I think you misunderstand me. I have no doubts that black people are most certainly capable of building great civilizations. I am sure they have in certain parts of africa. Thats not at all what I am questioning. I just thing that the wall paintings portray a much lighter people than black. As far as them being mullatos, that is definately plausible.
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