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Post by alexandrian on Mar 12, 2005 14:21:44 GMT -5
I do not see the comparison. Korea is much further from yemen as west africa is from egypt. koreans are not even remotely culturally similar nor show any historical affinities to yemen. Egypt is in africa, on the same continent, separated a by the sahel desert where trade links have been ongiong for hundreds of years. Need I also remind you that we are all descended from SS Africans anyway, the middle east being their first destination, through india and into central asia. Alexandrian, I understand your frustration with afrocentrists, but do not go to the other extreme, you will end up discrediting yourself. Yemen and Korea are both on the same continent. There arent many cultural affinities at all between West Africa and Egypt. To get to Egypt, West Africans would have had to cross either thousands of miles of hot,dry, lifeless desert or thousands of miles of dense rainforest to get to the Nile and then somehow all sail all the way up to egypt. Neither situation seems likely. WEst African trade with eGypt only started coming about in the Islamic era during the Mali Empire in West Africa, and even then it was usually through intermediaries in Casablanca or Fes or Marrakesh or other Maghrebian trading centers
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 13, 2005 3:40:11 GMT -5
Shango the Olmec's had Jagaur cult thats the root of the features seen in their statues or are cleft palates a african feature too? A african hairstyle you have to kidding the Gauls of iron age france wore braids like cornrows, I am sure you claim credit for that too. There is no evidence of contact between mesoamerica and west africa.
You also come of as really unbiased when calling modern egyptians half breeds. Your as big a racist as the fools at Skadi. Egypt is far closer to the the middle east then it is to the west africa, the people today look more like middle easterners and so did the people two thousands years ago. Show me a single source from modern peer reveiwed journal that states that egyptians were predominately negroid in type in the last 10,000 years.
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Post by topdog on Mar 13, 2005 4:16:00 GMT -5
Egypt is far closer to the the middle east then it is to the west africa, the people today look more like middle easterners and so did the people two thousands years ago. Show me a single source from modern peer reveiwed journal that states that egyptians were predominately negroid in type in the last 10,000 years. No one has said ancient Egyptians were predominantly West African in phenotype. Upper Egyptians however, were closer to sub-Saharans in phenotype. One does not have to be West African in phenotype to be considered as Negroid, thats a strawman. Overall, ancient Egyptians were not uniformly Negroid, but neither were they uniformly Middle Eastern, they in fact portrayed themselves as distinct from Middle Easterners, Berbers, and the more pronounced Negroid types, though representatives from all of these could be found is various mixtures and combinations.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 13, 2005 5:23:23 GMT -5
Thats actually fairly similar to my position Topdog. I think say that upper egyptians were primarily SS in type is stretching the evidence a bit. I also think the west african distinction is rather important africa is an enourmous continent with a deep time depth of human occupation there is a substantial differentation between west african and east african types and their a fair amount of evidence that this was even more true prior to the bantu niger congo expansion. Which is not to say that Eastern are heavily pigmented, I think thats bullshit too. I just think the situation is bit more complex then simple black white, caucasoid negroid dichtomy.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 13, 2005 5:41:02 GMT -5
Oh and Shango seemed to clearly imply that by african he meant black in his post about egyptians being halfbreeds.
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Post by topdog on Mar 13, 2005 7:14:23 GMT -5
Thats actually fairly similar to my position Topdog. I think say that upper egyptians were primarily SS in type is stretching the evidence a bit. It isn't stretching and its confirmed by craniofacial studies that Upper Egyptians, especially the Predynastic ones, have a phenotype closer to Somalis, Ethiopians, Nubians, and Saharans. I can cite a reference for this if you would like to see it. Somalis, Ethiopians, Nubians, and Saharans are all 'sub-Saharans'. The fossil record in West Africa before the bantu expansions is very sparse, very few remains have been found. The fossil record in East Africa before the Bantu expansions indicate that the populations that were there are pretty much ancestral to the ones that are there now, such as the Nilotes, Somalis, and Watutsi. They're merely subtypes of sub-Saharans, not distinct races. Linguistic evidence indicates Cushitic and Nilotic loan words in Eastern Bantu-speaking populations whereas they are absent in central Bantu-speaking populations, indicating that Bantu-speaking peoples migrating eastward encountered peoples speaking Nilotic and Cushitic languages.
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Post by Kame on Mar 13, 2005 11:13:15 GMT -5
1st Dynasty (3890 - 2686 BC) Narmer khufu 5th Dynasty: (2575 - 2467 BC) 5th Dynasty: 2465 - 2345 B.C. Userkaf (passing 25th dynasty, they were nubians) Amasis (570-526 BC) sphinx of giza Just a thought........................
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Post by Igu on Mar 13, 2005 11:39:41 GMT -5
It isn't stretching and its confirmed by craniofacial studies that Upper Egyptians, especially the Predynastic ones, have a phenotype closer to Somalis, Ethiopians, Nubians, and Saharans. I can cite a reference for this if you would like to see it. Somalis, Ethiopians, Nubians, and Saharans are all 'sub-Saharans'. Another history thief, poor guy you have no heritage Upper egyptian (the whole deputee list):
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Post by Kame on Mar 13, 2005 12:23:29 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, this is truly the topic that never ends. Can't we all just agree on something and move the f*%k on?
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Post by Igu on Mar 13, 2005 12:28:10 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, this is truly the topic that never ends. Can't we all just agree on something and move the f*%k on? How ironic!! it's you who knows NOTHING about egypt, it's you the lier!!!
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Post by Kame on Mar 13, 2005 12:50:20 GMT -5
LOL, Igu, why do you type in riddles and proverbs you sound like yoda.
"A lier kame is!"
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 13:12:58 GMT -5
I have to agree with Kame on this one. All this debate over Egypt is borderline ridiculous and we need to move on to another subject. Everyone is likely to come to different conclusions based on their own experience and biases in the field. For every Caucasoid mummy, representation, and bust, there is at least one comparable Congoid example to go along with it and vice versa. It boils down to what one believes about the origins of the various African races, anyway.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 13:55:03 GMT -5
I have to agree with Kame on this one. All this debate over Egypt is borderline ridiculous and we need to move on to another subject. Everyone is likely to come to different conclusions based on their own experience and biases in the field. For every Caucasoid mummy, representation, and bust, there is at least one comparable Congoid example to go along with it and vice versa. It boils down to what one believes about the origins of the various African races, anyway. There are far more Caucasoid mummies than Congoid ones. Anyone who has been to the Mummy Room at the Egyptian Museum can attest to that. Furthermore, I find it odd that almost all the supposed "Congoid" busts that AFrocentrists show have broken in noses or are somehow deformed. That proves nothing. Anyone who has seen the statues of Rahotep and Nefret knows what the AEs looked like.....anything BUT black
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 13:56:35 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, this is truly the topic that never ends. Can't we all just agree on something and move the f*%k on? We can't agree as long as you guys cling to desperate notions of a black Egypt. Furthermore, look at the Upper Egyptian MPs above. WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE AEs LOOKED LIKE. They looked like carbon copies of the people above.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 14:02:25 GMT -5
Everyone makes such convincing arguments! My brain is going to explode!
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