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Post by alexandrian on Mar 1, 2005 19:55:40 GMT -5
If you are in America, all you have to do is look at TV or go around in a Black neighborhood and see. I've driven through black neighborhoods, and I don't see people who look like Hoda Qotb. In fact, I find that blacks living in urban neighborhoods are significantly darker and more Negroid than the more prominent blacks in America (Colin Powell, Michael Powell, Robin Roberts). Are lighter-skinned blacks more successful? (outside of sports)
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Post by mike2 on Mar 1, 2005 20:07:41 GMT -5
Hoda Kotb doesn't look black at all. Based on that pic she could pass for a tanned European easily.
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Post by osiris on Mar 2, 2005 0:54:47 GMT -5
funny eurocentricsm and racism doesnt die easy does it . i suggest all you skeptics go to your nearest museum and have a good look at the depiction of the ancient egyptians. they look like black africans to me.much of our so called historical knowledge is race based 19th century germanic , musings trying to prove that they were the originnators of all civilisations of any note.it seems that many of you people here still belong in the 19th century.
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Post by Buddyryvall on Mar 2, 2005 1:03:14 GMT -5
i suggest all you skeptics go to your nearest museum and have a good look at the depiction of the ancient egyptians. they look like black africans to me. Ye very Black EGYPTIAN: Seated Scribe, limestone, 2600-2400 BCE, Musee du Louvre, Paris
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 2, 2005 1:09:49 GMT -5
funny eurocentricsm and racism doesnt die easy does it . i suggest all you skeptics go to your nearest museum and have a good look at the depiction of the ancient egyptians. they look like black africans to me.much of our so called historical knowledge is race based 19th century germanic , musings trying to prove that they were the originnators of all civilisations of any note.it seems that many of you people here still belong in the 19th century. not another narrow-minded afrocentrist
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Post by Shenuda on Mar 2, 2005 6:41:06 GMT -5
Yes, of course, she falls into the range of appearance of African Americans. She is not jet black with negroid features. But, she looks American Black, New World Black. That's why I mentioned her name. If you are in America, all you have to do is look at TV or go around in a Black neighborhood and see. Haha ;D "New World Black" LOL ;D Shango because some Americans who have a slight negroid admixture are called "black" in USA, it doesn´t mean that they are really "black". And the fact that Hoda Kotb looks like such "black" Americans doesn´t mean that she must be called "black" too. People like Hoda Kotb or Colin Powell would be never called black in Egypt. They are 80-90% white(caucasoid), so how they can be "black"? Even your counterparts in the American continent, Brazilians, have very different classification. American racial terms, influenced by "One Drop Rule" are not universal.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 2, 2005 7:43:08 GMT -5
Hoda Kotb actually looks a like actress Carrie Fisher from Star Wars,cept her face is more narrow,lol.Not on her worst day would any American confuse her with being black.Thats is just pure RUBBISH! This afrocrtic crap,still goes on damn...Theirs like atleast 1 Black=Egytians thread in each Topic section on this web-site. Afro-American is just the moronic politically Correct term of not calling a Negroid, Black.
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Post by Tautamo on Mar 2, 2005 7:46:55 GMT -5
Wanna know something true? ok if ANY of these egyptians where from a european country they would be labeled as BLACK! lol and not "white"
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Post by Human on Mar 2, 2005 7:57:08 GMT -5
Wanna know something true? ok if ANY of these egyptians where from a european country they would be labeled as BLACK! lol and not "white" i agree. many of ancient egyptians show negroid traits. what should be expected, after all, cause the nubian empire and central african were not that far off. the nile begins at a predominantly area. the origins of the egyptian may be hamitic but they were mixed with blacks in varying degrees. if most of them lived in modern US they would be segregated and treated by many racists as incapable of building any civilization! no one denies they had a large caucasoid component too. but to deny the black african component is in my opinion to cover up the truth. no one here is saying any absurd. if anyone here were saying ancient egyptians were of native american background then i would agree this would be an irrational senseless statement. egyptians were racially speaking mixed with maybe an inclination towards caucasoidism. still being mixed as they were did not in any ways stop them of creating one of the greatest ancient civilizations we have ever heard of. the greeks and mesopotamians borrowed a lot from them. akhenaton (that full liped narrowed faced high bridged nose pharao - who does not look fully european to me - as Julius Caesar does, e.g) is credited with the invention of one idea that revolutionized our entire morality standards, one which dominantes now the middle east, europe, most of islam and christian africa and america, namely: monoteism (read, on this respect, Moses and the Monoteism, by Sigmund Freud). has any scientist already tested, dna speaking, these old egyptian mummies? that would a good idea... then any would one would get sure most of them had some black negroid going on.
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Post by Tautamo on Mar 2, 2005 8:17:24 GMT -5
how about the egyptian queens? where not many of them of nubian ancestry? anyone have anything handy? ill look
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 2, 2005 8:17:27 GMT -5
Their was no Nubian Empire,it was a Kingdom.It was first started by the Egyptians btw.And the last time the Nubians tried taking pieces of Southern Eygpt the Romans handed them their ass's and sacked their cities.
This white/black issue is not imoporant,what is important is that Eygptians are Caucasians,all the evidence porves whether gentically or Archeologically.
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Post by Shenuda on Mar 2, 2005 8:20:44 GMT -5
Afro-American is just the moronic politically Correct term of not calling a Negroid, Black. Wrong. So far as I know, most of African-Americans are not 100% blacks and many are even more caucasoid than negroid calling them "African-Americans" instead of "blacks" or "negroids" is much better.
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Post by shango on Mar 2, 2005 8:21:22 GMT -5
The photo Spiro showed looks like many Black people I know. he even looks a little like me. :-) When I was a boy and went to the Metropolitan Museum of Art and saw the Egyptian Exhibit, I saw quickly statues and paintings that looked just like me and friends and relatives.
Alexandrian, it is true that TV and movies push fairer skinned African Americans and historically many of the leaders of Black organizations, etc have been of a very light complexion many practically White. So, that has been an issue within the African American community too.
Shenuda, Latin America's racial definition is different since the conquistadors did not bring White women with them too the Americas and they were not as White as the British anyway.
What most people who discuss this issue alway overlook is the CULTURE of Ancient Egypt as well. They overlook the religious ideas, political patterns, even style of dress, etc which was all very African.
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Post by Tautamo on Mar 2, 2005 8:23:36 GMT -5
Their was no Nubian Empire,it was a Kingdom.It was first started by the Egyptians btw.And the last time the Nubians tried taking pieces of Southern Eygpt the Romans handed them their ass's and sacked their cities. This white/black issue is not imoporant,what is important is that Eygptians are Caucasians,all the evidence porves whether gentically or Archeologically. ok prove it
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Post by Shenuda on Mar 2, 2005 8:24:44 GMT -5
Their was no Nubian Empire,it was a Kingdom.It was first started by the Egyptians btw.And the last time the Nubians tried taking pieces of Southern Eygpt the Romans handed them their ass's and sacked their cities.. Romans were something like defenders of the holy caucasoid thing against those disguisting negroids ;D Amen. Now stop this issue it´s endless
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