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Post by Solomon on Jan 30, 2005 20:26:33 GMT -5
Or how does the average american view a sephardic jew? Most americans don't even know what a sephardi is unfortunately. lol. Sad but true. I'd say 99% of Sephardim see themselves as 'white', but distinct from Europeans. We're Jewish. I doubt anyone would question Hank Azaria's whiteness. She is a self-hating Jew. I don't care if she considers herself Jewish or not, good riddance. Sephardim want no part of her ridiculous 'Arab-Jew' identity.
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Post by Human on Jan 31, 2005 8:23:33 GMT -5
solomon that the moder western jew is a blend of semitic caucasoid with european caucasoid. i find it too much impressive that after 2000 years in Europe many jews still have semitic traits, and some are quite distinct compared to their european host countries. after thousands of years in the middle east, jews wandered throughout europe and still managed to maintain some of their features. where i live there are plenty of jews and lebanese and syrians and arabs, and they all look like similar with the difference that europeans jews look more lighter but still very much similar. i mean, take as example bob dylan, or woody allen, or even young steven spielberg. will anyone dare to deny that there is something middle eastener going on in them? ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) yet their ancestors have been living in europe for quite a long time, and they have all germanic like surnames. steven spielberg, robert allen zimerman or allen stewart koenigsberg. impressive indeed.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Jan 31, 2005 12:18:49 GMT -5
No one I know who's from the Middle East, be they Iranians, Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians or whatever has ever called Swedes or other Europeans white. If an Middle Easterner here makes a difference between himself and someone of another people he generally refers to nationality; "I'm an Iraqi, he's a Swede". I don't think it's even common among ethnic Swedes to refer to themselves as white. Most people here use nationality instead.
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Post by alexandrian on Jan 31, 2005 20:10:20 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying. But AA is mainly for blacks; Arabs do extremely well in the US, they don't need help. Personally, I'm against AA period. It's reverse racism and it gives black Americans a victim/inferiority complex. Both of your statements are 100% correct. If anything, affirmative action should be something socio-economic, not race-based
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Post by Solomon on Jan 31, 2005 21:20:49 GMT -5
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Post by buddyrydell on Jan 31, 2005 23:49:21 GMT -5
solomon that the moder western jew is a blend of semitic caucasoid with european caucasoid. i find it too much impressive that after 2000 years in Europe many jews still have semitic traits, and some are quite distinct compared to their european host countries. after thousands of years in the middle east, jews wandered throughout europe and still managed to maintain some of their features. where i live there are plenty of jews and lebanese and syrians and arabs, and they all look like similar with the difference that europeans jews look more lighter but still very much similar. i mean, take as example bob dylan, or woody allen, or even young steven spielberg. will anyone dare to deny that there is something middle eastener going on in them? ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) yet their ancestors have been living in europe for quite a long time, and they have all germanic like surnames. steven spielberg, robert allen zimerman or allen stewart koenigsberg. impressive indeed. I also agree that the retention of many essential Levantine traits among most Ashkenazi Jews is truly amazing. For nearly 2,000 years, the Ashkenazim were in exile and lived amongst Europeans, and though yes there was some intermarriage which has yielded a considerable number of fair-haired and/or light-eyed Ashkenazim, most definitely have a strong Semitic component to their appearance. Really quite astounding I agree. However, here in the U.S., there has been plenty of intermarriage with Gentile European-Americans, though I believe intermarriage rates for Jewish-Americans are lower than for most other Euro-Americans. I personally know some half-Jews (and some who are full-blooded), but the vast majority of my Euro-American friends have mixed ancestries, some of them are no more than 25% of one ethnicity. That's largely the typical white American nowadays, a very blended heritage. But getting back to the original topic lol, yes, a very interesting phenomenon among the Ashkenazim indeed.
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Post by alexandrian on Jan 31, 2005 23:58:12 GMT -5
The argument for reparations is ridiculous. I am seriously getting sick of black Americans bringing race into everything. Case in point: Jamie Foxx's acceptance speech at the Golden Globes, it was all about race
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Post by Solomon on Feb 1, 2005 1:29:42 GMT -5
I'm glad I missed that. ;D
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Post by Solomon on Feb 1, 2005 1:31:04 GMT -5
solomon that the moder western jew is a blend of semitic caucasoid with european caucasoid. Most certainly. They are literally (50/50) European/Middle Eastern hybrids.
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Post by buddyrydell on Feb 1, 2005 2:17:28 GMT -5
Most certainly. They are literally (50/50) European/Middle Eastern hybrids. Really, is it 50/50? It's just that I would've figured more of the Middle Eastern, even if just a tad more.
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Post by visigodo on Feb 1, 2005 2:24:22 GMT -5
I think for the U.S. it might be close to 50/50 perhaps maybe a tad more Middle Eastern. In Europe it’s a bit different, the Jewish community tends to be more tight nit, and I believe the ratio is probably very different.
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Post by Solomon on Feb 1, 2005 2:59:45 GMT -5
Really, is it 50/50? It's just that I would've figured more of the Middle Eastern, even if just a tad more. That's the consensus. 50/50, more or less, probably a little more on average (maybe between 60%-70%, in some situations I'm sure it's more like 80%). Basically, there weren't many Jewish women in the beginning of the diaspora, so Jewish men often married/converted European women. The big mystery that remains to be solved is where the European ancestry comes from. There's definitely Italian and German blood in Ashkenazim, but perhaps there was contribution from elsewhere. Melnorme actually explained this to me, so maybe he could go into more detail about where the European ancestry in Jews is from.
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Post by Solomon on Feb 1, 2005 3:03:23 GMT -5
I think for the U.S. it might be close to 50/50 perhaps maybe a tad more Middle Eastern. In Europe it’s a bit different, the Jewish community tends to be more tight nit, and I believe the ratio is probably very different. Could be. America is a melting pot, at least for whites. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by k5125 on Feb 1, 2005 12:05:37 GMT -5
I know in Eastern Europe there was tons of raping of Jewish women. It would be interesting to know how much exactly, but I heard it was quite frequent throughout the centuries.
I have always come to the conclusion that Jews from Northern France and Germany are darker than their eastern european jewish cousins, but thats really just an assumption, and I am not sure if there is any truth to that.
Most Jews that I have seen from that area and that have names like Goldstein, Katz, Rosenberg, etc look quite semitic.
The majority of blond/european looking jews usually have russian or polish last names.
Again, thats all I have seen, and thats not to say I haven't seen some blond Goldsteins, but its just not as common.
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Post by k5125 on Feb 1, 2005 14:17:29 GMT -5
About the raping in eastern europe. Again, I am pretty much just talkn out of my ass about this one. Its just stuff that other Jews have said. I really don't know if any of its true or not. Its just hearsay.
If you ask your average religious jew for instance why there are some blond haired blue eyed jews, he would say its because of all the rapes.
I think Jews in eastern europe looked down on marrying goyim so they pretty much kept to themselves. And I am pretty sure they discourage conversions most of the time. Therefore rape seems like the only other explanation for the european features.
Who knows though? I sure don't.
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