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Post by Satyros on Dec 14, 2004 8:40:01 GMT -5
Which country or countries would you like to see rising to the status of global superpowers?
Actually most of the countries i listed in the options, are already big powers, i am just asking about your preference.
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Post by nordicyouth on Dec 14, 2004 14:56:43 GMT -5
A United Europe with the inclusion of Scandinavia, the Baltic States, Russia, and Eastern and South-Eastern Europe. I suppose that would make it Eurasian, but that's merely geographically. Turkey would not be included...
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Post by geirr on Dec 15, 2004 6:22:34 GMT -5
I think two global superpowers, the EU and the USA would be the most ideal, not necessesarily adverserial but nevertheless I think it would maintain a balance between US capitalism and EU social engineering.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Dec 16, 2004 13:07:39 GMT -5
I voted for United Europe, mainly because I live here, but I'm not foreign to seeing Eurasia rise to power. Why, I don't know.
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Post by Faelcind on Dec 16, 2004 13:59:30 GMT -5
I am glad the EU seems to be rising in prominence but really what we need for betterment of everbody is the third world to rise to equal status so I voted africa since thats the most f-ed up region out there.
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Post by LibLabDog on Dec 17, 2004 1:08:20 GMT -5
India. Far and away. ...Even though it's a country I've seen American jobs go to, they are a great polyglot nation, and have a real concept about the importance of Democracy, and work.
I don't know if you Euro-removed have a chance to get to know any, but they're really great folks.
Don't use offensive language
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Post by Satyros on Dec 17, 2004 2:15:29 GMT -5
India. Far and away. ...Even though it's a country I've seen American jobs go to, they are a great polyglot nation, and have a real concept about the importance of Democracy, and work. I don't know if you Euro-faggots have a chance to get to know any, but they're really great folks. Did you mention "Democracy"? Now, what would an imbecile American fart like yourself possibly know about Democracy?
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Post by LibLabDog on Dec 17, 2004 10:26:08 GMT -5
...Like, we fought and implemented it? ...While you European racists were worshiping tribal Kings.
What little racial fiefdom are you from in Europe?
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Post by Satyros on Dec 17, 2004 10:40:45 GMT -5
...Like, we fought and implemented it? ...While you European racists were worshiping tribal Kings. LOLOL!!! When are you talking about? Lol, i am from the place where the word "Democracy" comes from, you ignorant worthless Yankee, from Hellas, the place you must know as Greece. Yes, the place where Democracy was established 2500 years ago, unless you were taught that Democracy was first practised in history by Redskins, and that you Americans "inherited" this political system, after you mercifully "liberated" the Redskins from their earthly bodies.. Heh, this reminds me of one other ignorant Yankee imbecile i was talking to the other day, and she said that "we Americans have something called sarcasm, that you dont understand..." Lol, i wanted to tell her, that sarcasm is actually a Greek word and has a Greek definition since 2500 years ago when it was firstly used over here on European soil, but i decided to leave the ignorant fool in her ignorance..
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Post by LibLabDog on Dec 17, 2004 10:53:40 GMT -5
Oh! Ok...
Well, I'll admit, America has a liking for Greek history. We study a lot of the ancient Greek history, considering we really don't study that much history to begin with.
Well, I don't know ALL the reasons why Greece is not so enamored with the U.S., but know a few of them. Maybe you can clarify the others.
I know that the U.S.'s cold war support of Turkey lead to compromises in how the invasion Cyprus was dealt with. ...So I don't blame you for that one.
And I know that we supported a post WWII government in Greece that was anti-socialist, but not very well liked. But I imagine that's probably water under the bridge.
Other then that, don't really know why any Greeks would not like the United States. We've tried to support Turkey modernizing, and being less of a threat. And as much as possible, we've tried to urge a reconcilliation to the Cyprus situation.
But that's pretty much where my knowledge ends. ...You'll have to inform me as to the rest.
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Post by ulvesang on Dec 17, 2004 16:36:17 GMT -5
The reason we don't like you is exactly the attitude you have. Since you joined this forum, look at your post history.
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Post by LibLabDog on Dec 17, 2004 18:13:43 GMT -5
Ulvesang,
In Darfur, do you think the refugee's would prefer an American attitude, or a European one?
(BTW, the U.N., is a place where the world comes together, and agrees to do nothing.)
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Post by buddyrydell on Dec 18, 2004 2:14:35 GMT -5
I understand that some Americans may come off as arrogant and ignorant, but please that's far from all of us. I also understand that the war in Iraq and President Bush has also lowered our standing in the world amongst other nations, and I will come right out and say that I also disagreed (and still do) with the way Bush went about invading Iraq. MANY other Americans share the same sentiment. Do not think our government and/or the few rude/ignorant Americans represent the majority of us. I think we deserve a hell of a lot more respect than you're giving us Satyros.
And the truth is, America has contributed quite a bit in making the world a better place to live in. Btw, I don't think the previous sentence reflects arrogance on my part, for I know that many other countries have done their part as well.
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Post by Faelcind on Dec 18, 2004 2:32:39 GMT -5
Liblabdog you have done little but flame people since joing the forum. I am suprised you haven't been banned yet. Its generealy a bad sign when the sites founder edits your posts for offensive language but you simply continue with same additude. Satyros your just as bad. Since you seem to have been spared so far. I would advise shaping up while you have chance if you have any interest in continuing to post here. Honestly we do need ethnic slurs, generealized attack statements and personal squabbling on this board. If you want to debate like rational people please do so, if not save the mods the bother of banning you and just leave.
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Post by alex221166 on Dec 18, 2004 4:55:01 GMT -5
Some have compared Europe and America to an elder and a teen. The elder has a lot of experience and preffers dialogue to fighting, he knows the cost of violence. Teen is too unexperienced, is full of life and doesn't comprehend the need for dialogue.
We can't blame the elder for being tired of fighting, just like we can't blame the teen for his imature outbursts of violence and his lack of diplomatic skills.
I am a Portuguese who unlike the majority of my fellow countrymen, happen to know my country's history quite well. Portugal is one of America's oldest allies, and yet American ambitions over Portuguese territories started almost immediately after American independence. First it was the Azores during the 1840s. Brazil, in the 1820s and later during the 1940s. Our Africa in the 1960s (when American money sponsored Angolan communist terrorists), not to mention the American stance when India invaded in 1960 what was then the sovereign Portuguese Indian territory of Goa.
We have been loyal and we have always been screwed. One of the few good things of the past century was that in 1974 American ships decided NOT to intervene in the Portuguese revolution, thus sparing the beautiful city of Lisbon from naval bombardment.
I certainly don't blame Americans, and I don't even blame America. Politics is a cruel and selfish business where self-interest always comes first. However, America has an exceedingly short memory. You created Al-Qaeda, you created the Taliban, and to some extent you created or maintained the mess in south America and post-colonial Africa. Your allies of today are usually your enemies of tomorrow, because you resort to violence with too much haste.
I seriously doubt that any American has an idea of what it felt to many Europeans to see Serbia being bombed, particularly after we knew that you had used radioactive materials.
Now, let me repeat: I am pro-American. Not because I have any special feelings for America (I don't even intend to visit the country anytime soon, to be honest). Because I am a Portuguese, and because we can benefit from Pax Americana, but only if we stand up to ourselves and stop asking the school-bully to bail us out of every problem. That's why we need a European Army.
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