Turkish people aren't all that white...are they?

[Buddyryvall]

Yigal said:

Wrong, the Concept is old and the invetion of the modern machine is not greek
also donner means rotating to so nice try,Shish kebab isnt greek or turkish either its middeastern and central asian (shishlik,shashlika)

LOL, Kebab (kabab in India/Pakistan, also spelled kebap, kebob, kabob) means grilled meat in Turkish.

encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/kebab

Yigal said:

also in ancient israel during passover the paschal sacrifice was served on Soft matzah(yes the stuff exists
www.softmatza.com/ for info on soft matzah, it resembles burnt pitta, so it the Sacrifice served at home would resemble Arab shwarma

Oh, so Jews invented pita, wow, thanks for enlightning us with your knowledge oh chosen one. , this style of bread has been done for thousands of years aswipe, Wheat and barely have been discovered at Jericho (in modern Jordan), the oldest known site of human civilization, which dates back to 10,000 BC. However, millennia would pass before bread was developed as we know it today.

Whole or cracked grains were first eaten raw or after being dried, like modern seeds and nuts. The direct predecessors of bread were porridges (grains mixed and cooked with water) and flat cakes (doughs baked directly on coals, or on heated stones and tiles). Various forms of porridge or mush are still eaten daily by a large percentage of the earth's population. Ancestors of early flat cakes are still common today in the form of crepes, pita, rice cakes, papadum, fritters, nan, pancakes, tamales, and, of course, pizza.

Bread making styles and techniques like the pita bread have been around for Milenia:P nice try

Yigal said:

the concept came from the mideast and moved up not the other way around it then moved from europe to latin america (tacos al pastor) which is also pork like Greek Gyros

Prove it

Yigal said:

the concept came from the mideast and moved up not the other way around it then moved from europe to latin america (tacos al pastor) which is also pork like Greek Gyros

a Israeli Shawarma and a Greek Gyro do not look taste or smell the same the similarity is only in the device used, the Turkish donner has some overlap

Real greek gyro, Pork spiced Minimally a lil bit of Allspice and pepper, served on salad wrapped in a poketless pita served with tzatziki-yoghurt cucumber sauce

Stop saying pork Gyro, you're implying that gyros are only made with pork meat, we also use beef, Lamb & chicken.

Ide have a delicious gyro over a shity shwarma any day



KEEP IT REAL

[yigal]

Stupid turk u proved my point

Oh, so Jews invented pita, wow, thanks for enlightning us with your knowledge oh chosen one. , this style of bread has been done for thousands of years aswipe, Wheat and barely have been discovered at Jericho (in modern Jordan), < aka Israel

Btw Here is ancient matzah u tell me it doesnt look like pita URL=http://img159.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img159&image=dscn03832he.jpg][/URL]
the Hard cracker like matzah u see now is a recent (ashkenazi) custom

[yigal]

PS kebab (as in Shish) is Known as Shishlik Sashlika slishkik thruout the middle east and and central asia, it origionates in central asia and turks have it because they ARE central asian

[alexandrian]

Did you know that the pizza was invented after Italian soldiers in Egypt saw the way the Egyptians made pita bread? Pretty interesting. Pita bread, kebab, shawarma, etc. can't be traced to a single origin. They are native to the entire Middle East/Eastern Med region. The nations of the Eastern Med, from Egypt to Israel to Greece have a lot more in common than many would care to admit.

[k5125]

aberrant said:

Turks tend to be whiter than gulf arabs, i mean saudis etc, these gulf arabs are semi-negroids.

I agree with that definately, but what about Iraqis, Syrians, or Lebanese?

[k5125]

aberrant said:

I dont know much about iraqis, but most of iraqis that i see on the televison are darks

Darker than syrians?

[SensoUnico]

aberrant, aptly named by the way, you are confusing racism with racial classification. Skin colour, pigmentation, skin tone whatever you want to call it has little to do with racial classification. Turks, Iraqis, Iranis, other Middle Eastern peoples are caucasoid. The fact their asses are olive yellow and not pinkish is irrelevent.


"I dont know much about iraqis, but most of iraqis that i see on the televison are darks." says aberrant. Travel it is said, broadens the mind. Do some. And the boob tube is not a good source of information. And Mister k, Iraqis are generally darker than Syrians and Lebanese. They are darker than Jordanians as well. It is nothing to write home about.

[k5125]

I don't get it. You would think Jordanians would be at least as dark as Iraqis because they are on the same level as them, if not lower.

[alexandrian]

k5125 said:

Darker than syrians?

Iraqis are definitely darker than Syrians. Syrians and Lebanese are the whitest Arabs, and the ones most different from other Arab states. All other Arabs can fit in well in different Arab countries. Iraqis are pretty dark.

[k5125]

Alexandrian said:

Iraqis are definitely darker than Syrians. Syrians and Lebanese are the whitest Arabs, and the ones most different from other Arab states. All other Arabs can fit in well in different Arab countries. Iraqis are pretty dark.

Jordanians...now they are very diverse. Are they are of arabian origin? What is their ethnic make up, and how dark are they on average?

People say they look like palestinians, but I don't think so. I thought they looked more like arabians and gulf arabs.

[alexandrian]

k5125 said:

I don't get it. You would think Jordanians would be at least as dark as Iraqis because they are on the same level as them, if not lower.

That's a pretty bad map btw. It shows Georgia as part of Armenia! It also shows Palestine as part of Israel!

[k5125]

Alexandrian said:

That's a pretty bad map btw. It shows Georgia as part of Armenia! It also shows Palestine as part of Israel!

Yeah, its the first map I got from a search off google. The work suffers.

[SensoUnico]

What is so hard to get about Jordanians? There are mucho Palestinians there by the way, a very large group. Jordan is really connected to the Levantine coast historically and ethnically. Iraq is now anyway more connected to the Gulf Arab countries and South Arabia with its melange of Dravidian, Veddoid, native Semitic speakers, some various Africans like Ethiopians, Kenyan types and the sundry Nigerian types. Edom was located in todays Jordan as is Petra.

[k5125]

gundagai said:

What is so hard to get about Jordanians? There are mucho Palestinians there by the way, a very large group. Jordan is really connected to the Levantine coast historically and ethnically. Iraq is now anyway more connected to the Gulf Arab countries and South Arabia with its melange of Dravidian, Veddoid, native Semitic speakers, some various Africans like Ethiopians, Kenyan types and the sundry Nigerian types. Edom was located in todays Jordan and is Petra.

Trans-Jordan used to be part of Palestine correct?

[SensoUnico]

Transjordan. Yes and No. Transjordan is Jordan but the Europeans divided the Middle East in their odd way. Strictly speaking Palestine is west of the Jordan river but the area east of the Jordan, the transjordan, was incorporated in a legal sense into the European administration of Palestine. It was also called east Palestine. It really does not matter as that recent history is more European than Middle Eastern, a consequence of foreign control and the old L of Nations. Petra was built by the Nabateans who are considered a proto Arab people whatever that really means but I think of them as more like Phoenicians or Canaanites.