Should Charlie Bass be unbanned?

[Power Cosmic]

eufrenio said:

rondu said:

Perhaps you're missing my point. There are differences in all Africans, a Yoruba is about as distant from a Hausa as a Berber is to a Yoruba. To the outsider unfamiliar with Africans we would not see it. Africans can readily distinguish themselves among themselves. I am not saying all Africans are the same racially or culturally. The continent itself is very diverse, a Berber is just as "African" as a Zulu, the physical distinctions do not make one group more African than the other. No one says a Sicilian is less European than a Swede, despite the physical distinctions between the two. Berbers are Africans just like Zulus are Africans. I do not use African to mean black. Non Islamicized Berber culture is just as African in origin as Yoruba culture is, though the difference between the two is noticeable just as French culture is as European as British culture. I'm speaking in the broad sense.

A better analogy of African diversity woud be Asia, with people as different as Middle-easterners and East Asians.
And genetically,a Zulu and a Hausa are closer than either to a Berber. Europe is far more homogenous.

In relative terms stated yes, a Zulu is closer to a Hausa because Bantus originally came from west Africa, but they aren't very closely related. Culturally they have nothing in common.

[Educate Me]

You are overrating Islam, it didnt change a thing, north africans were not "culturally african" before islam.

Before islam north africa was christian, greek was spoken in egypt, latin in west africa, and some still spoke punic languages, like saint Augustine.

How on earth is a north african more related culturally to a zulu than to the mediterranean and westasian civilizations?

[nockwasright]

Compared to Asia and Africa Europe is extremely homogeneous genetically and also morphologically. British who look as Greek exist. Moroccans who look as Nigerians don't. And Nigeria is only half way.

Of course this could mean that continents as we name them are meaningless units racially, and surely they have been defined for geo-hystorical and not racial reasons. An extraterrestrial with absolutely no knowledge of history (or some member of this forum) would be pretty surprised seeing the world map that Europe is a continent, and that is so full of states you can't write their names on them, while the rest of the world is conveniently divided in big nice geometrical shapes.

The ethnical and cultural differences between europeans are of course hyperamplified by the central importance of Europe, that is under the magnyfying lense of history.
Likely in any similar space similarly populated (as e.g. could be the only India which btw is more populated) there are the same number of different etnicities, only nobody knows about them.

[mhagneto]

So Charlie Bass was banned? I havent been around for a while---- Bass probably got hysterical and started calling people idiots, didnt he?

It's one thing to call people idiots--- but something else entirely when, like Charlie, you call people idiots who are a lot smarter than you are!

[Haydn888]

I can vote but I'm new on this forum : what did Charlie Bass do ?

[eufrenio]

haydn888 said:

I can vote but I'm new on this forum : what did Charlie Bass do ?

Hello, welcome!
Read for yourself:

dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=hobotraveler

[atlantis]

The poll was 50/50 so I voted ... NO! ;D

[atlantis]

ienjoylurking said:

Before islam north africa was christian, greek was spoken in egypt, latin in west africa, and some still spoke punic languages, like saint Augustine.

Before Augustine converted to Christiany he adhered to Berber paganism and lived a quite joyfull life. Until his Berber mother Saint Monica prayed and prayed and prayed for many years to God that her son will stop living in sin and find his way to God the Almighty.

(I've been doing some reading on St Augutine ;D)


But you are right to say that North Africa pre Islam used to be an integral part of Europe. One only needs to visit cities such as Leptis Magna in Libya or Volubilis in Morocco to realise this.

Leptis Magna, Libya






Today however North Africa = Maghreb, the Arabo Islamic West. Eventhough Morocco and Algeria being severely handicapped in their "Arabic" language. Most Moroccans and Algeria don't speak Arabic or Tamazight, but they speak Darija which is a mixture of Arabic, Tamazight and Latin (French and Spanish). A language that isn't understood in the rest of the "Arab World". This Darija with Tmazight are both under attack by the political elite of these countries, eventhough all of them grew up with either languages. They want to install standard Arabic, a language that they themselves don't have full control of


North Africa is a complex place

[nockwasright]

eufrenio said:

Read for yourself:

dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=hobotraveler

That's all he did? Then I vote yes.

[eufrenio]

He called Dienekes a liar:

Dienekes lied and wrote:

The earliest know Negroid is Asselar Man from Mali, dated to 6,500BP.



The truth:

The earliest remains of 'Negroids' are found in Sudan on the Egyptian Sudanese border at Jebel Sahaba and Tushka. Tushka dates back to 14, 500 B.P.[plus or minus 490 years] and Sahaba is datd back to 13,700 B.P.8plus or minus 300 years]. Both are associated with Qadan blade industry.

Terminal Pleistocene and early Holocene populations of Northern Africa

Colin P. Groves and Alan Thorne.


Charlie Bass comments:

Dienekes, give up trying to point to West and central Africa as the home of the true Negro or Negroid morphology. Is it that hard to give up on antiquated anthropological theories and methodology?

That was one insult too many, Charlie. See ya.
« Last Edit: Aug 18, 2005, 10:47am by Dienekes »

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[Power Cosmic]

eufrenio said:

He called Dienekes a liar:

Dienekes lied and wrote:

The earliest know Negroid is Asselar Man from Mali, dated to 6,500BP.



The truth:

The earliest remains of 'Negroids' are found in Sudan on the Egyptian Sudanese border at Jebel Sahaba and Tushka. Tushka dates back to 14, 500 B.P.[plus or minus 490 years] and Sahaba is datd back to 13,700 B.P.8plus or minus 300 years]. Both are associated with Qadan blade industry.

Terminal Pleistocene and early Holocene populations of Northern Africa

Colin P. Groves and Alan Thorne.


Charlie Bass comments:

Dienekes, give up trying to point to West and central Africa as the home of the true Negro or Negroid morphology. Is it that hard to give up on antiquated anthropological theories and methodology?

That was one insult too many, Charlie. See ya.
« Last Edit: Aug 18, 2005, 10:47am by Dienekes »

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Thats nothing, whats the big deal about that? Its ok for Dienekes to say Charlie was smoking Afrocentric dope, but Charlie is banned for calling him a liar? For once can anyone in here think with some common sense? I still haven't seen any warnings to Crimson Guard about baiting, isn't that against board rules?

[Crimson Guard]

Your doing alot of baiting yourself their Charlie/Dalmar "candy" Barre!

[Power Cosmic]

igu said:

rondu said:

I never said egyptsearch was better. You have a handful of posters there who are good. Since racialreality started posting there the quality has went down. If you read the archives the forum was better a while back.

The people of egyptsearch live in another dimension, posting black people to represent modern egyptians (a pic with 10 kids, most of them totally negroid), also they think that siwa berbers are black , they keep posting a pic of black people pretending that they are siwa-berbers...etc.

Well lets deal strictly with Charlie Bass and racialreality


Charlie's e-mail to e-mail reply from C. Loring Brace

Hello Dr. Brace, I have another question for you. The webmater of this site www.geocities.com/racial_reality/ has taken this quote from your study, "Clines and Clusters" to mean East Africans like Somalis are craniofacially Caucasoid:

"As our data show, the people of the Horn of Africa are craniofacially less distinct from a spectrum of samples marginally including South Asia and running all the way from the Middle East to northwest Europe than they are to any group in sub-Saharan Africa." (Brace et al., 1993, p. 19)


As I've tried to explain to him numerous times by directly quoting your work as well as our e-mail correspondence, Horn of Africans and Upper Nile people are the result of a peculiar microevolution via adaptation to a hot and dry climate and never did you you ever imply they were Caucasoids nor West Eurasian. I seek your clarification of the above quote from your study as well as where Horn of Africans group "racially". I seem to support Hiernaux's view that populations like Tutsis, Somalis, Masai, and Oromo belong to Elongated East African branch within the broad diversity of sub-Saharan Africans. Would i be wrong for supporting such a view? Thanks in advance and for the information you provided in your previous e-mail correspondence with me.


Best regards,

Charles Rigaud



C. Loring Brace's response

You have hit the nail right on the head. No, I certainly to not see those elongate east Africans as "caucasoid" and they do indeed make a case for microevolutionary change in situ. I just wish I had more data on people from that part of the world.

Thanks for understanding,

C. L. Brace

Click this link and see racialreality's weak response and distorted manipulation of C. Loring Brace's words

www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/002590.html




After the posting on this response from Brace, racialreality makes this statement..

Brace's position implies that indigenous East Africans were of a Caucasoid or proto-Caucasoid type, and totally unrelated to Negroids.

www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/002595-2.html

Igu you have to be fair and at least admit racialreality's flawed logic and standards. There should be no questions as to why racialreality is treated the way he's treated there.

[Crimson Guard]

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Hahaha that whats in David Manning's signature,LOL! He's a troll,same thing as in the Banning of Dalmar Barre thread posted by Hernete!

[Power Cosmic]

crimsonguard said:

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Hahaha that whats in David Manning's signature,LOL! He's a troll,same thing as in the Banning of Dalmar Barre thread posted by Hernete!

I don't have a signature thats why those numbers are in my sig. Go piss off you annoying bugger.