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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 25, 2005 12:38:28 GMT -5
Yeah, but EgyptSearch, being an Afrophile forum, isn't much better.
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 25, 2005 13:03:20 GMT -5
Yeah, but EgyptSearch, being an Afrophile forum, isn't much better. I never said egyptsearch was better. You have a handful of posters there who are good. Since racialreality started posting there the quality has went down. If you read the archives the forum was better a while back.
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Post by Igu on Sept 25, 2005 17:22:44 GMT -5
Yeah, but EgyptSearch, being an Afrophile forum, isn't much better. I never said egyptsearch was better. You have a handful of posters there who are good. Since racialreality started posting there the quality has went down. If you read the archives the forum was better a while back. The people of egyptsearch live in another dimension, posting black people to represent modern egyptians (a pic with 10 kids, most of them totally negroid), also they think that siwa berbers are black , they keep posting a pic of black people pretending that they are siwa-berbers...etc.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 25, 2005 17:29:55 GMT -5
Exactly, it would be great if they were just correcting misinformation about Negroids but they go too far.
It seems what they really want is African continental solidarity. And to do that, they must:
1.) Deny that racial clusters like Caucasoid and Negroid exist. They hate the idea of a North Africa and a sub-Saharan Africa. They just want one Africa. A black Africa. 2.) Try to hold to the contradictory position that blacks and whites exist even if they don't believe that a black and white race exists. lol... try to figure that one out. 3.) Claim North Africa as being part of some pan-African fantasy land where everyone was Negroid (even though "Negroids don't exist!") until the Arab, Greek, and Iberian whities came in and muddied everything up with their diabolical honkey ways. In other words, Greeks and Arabs hybridized the aboriginal black Egyptians and Iberians did the same to the aboriginal black Berbers.
This is the impression I get everytime I visit EgyptSearch. If it's the wrong impression, feel free to correct me.
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Post by Igu on Sept 25, 2005 17:37:32 GMT -5
Exactly, it would be great if they were just correcting misinformation about Negroids but they go too far. It seems what they really want is African continental solidarity. And to do that, they must: 1.) Deny that racial clusters like Caucasoid and Negroid exist. They hate the idea of a North Africa and a sub-Saharan Africa. They just want one Africa. A black Africa. 2.) Try to hold to the contradictory position that blacks and whites exist even if they don't believe that a black and white race exists. lol... try to figure that one out. 3.) Claim North Africa as being part of some pan-African fantasy land where everyone was Negroid (even though "Negroids don't exist!") until the Arab, Greek, and Iberian whities came in and muddied everything up with their diabolical honkey ways. In other words, Greeks and Arabs hybridized the aboriginal black Egyptians and Iberians did the same to the aboriginal black Berbers. This is the impression I get everytime I visit EgyptSearch. If it's the wrong impression, feel free to correct me. But at least they try to be consistent and explain why Berbers are not black, Charlie kept saying that Berbers are genitically closer to negroids.
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Post by Igu on Sept 25, 2005 17:40:07 GMT -5
What was also funny with charlie is that he was adding frequencies to get new frequencies (instead of computing the average)... his maths must be very bad. BTW I don't mind if charlie comes back.
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Post by Igu on Sept 25, 2005 18:44:27 GMT -5
But at least they try to be consistent and explain why Berbers are not black, Charlie kept saying that Berbers are genitically closer to negroids. He said that North Africans are closer to other Africans in terms of patrilineage, which is true. All of you are E. He explained what he meant later on. Maybe he didn't explain what he meant well or he didn't understand genetics that much at that point, but don't misqoute the man. As we all know, patrilineage is oftentimes meaningless when it comes to determining affinities. Autosomal and mtDNA are better and he didn't deny this, as I've seen him making a lot of posts commenting on it. ^ His own quote is in the forum, I don't need to search for it, what you fail to understand is that charlie did not know what haplogroups are, for him it meant ancestry but also the overall genome, he does not even understand the mendelian genetic... You too, at the beginning you did not even knew the basic of genetics, you were speaking about "strong black genes', but you improved in two months, For charlie it took 2 years.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 25, 2005 19:09:59 GMT -5
Which one are you, Igu? The one in the white or the pewter? Or are you in fact one of the black guys?
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Post by Igu on Sept 25, 2005 19:42:46 GMT -5
It's irritating to be accused of racism everytime, so here's a pic of me with some of my black firends: I have no hatred against Charlie, he's just what he is : insecure black man, as for the confusion, it might be true because there was another person under the username "human". I didn't say you were racist. I meant you hate Charlie and it blinds you. You post black people. OK. That's proves how you are da man. I don't hate charlie, I just maximize my critics towards a person who keeps calling me "idiot" in another forum (I did not even insult him or replied to his insults).
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 26, 2005 1:53:33 GMT -5
I never said egyptsearch was better. You have a handful of posters there who are good. Since racialreality started posting there the quality has went down. If you read the archives the forum was better a while back. The people of egyptsearch live in another dimension, posting black people to represent modern egyptians (a pic with 10 kids, most of them totally negroid), also they think that siwa berbers are black , they keep posting a pic of black people pretending that they are siwa-berbers...etc. You say egyptsearch posters are in another dimension because of pictures posted as modern Egyptians but you agree with most of racialreality says? Look at his selective photos of Somalis, he's the worst at posting pictures. As for Charlie's comment that Berbers are genetically closer to other Africans, he is right in the broad sense. Paternally North Africans do share more of a common ancestry with other Africans via the PN2 clade, maternally is where the most heterogenity is found. I don't think Charlie mentioned anything about Negroids in the anthropological meaning of the word.
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 26, 2005 1:59:12 GMT -5
Exactly, it would be great if they were just correcting misinformation about Negroids but they go too far. It seems what they really want is African continental solidarity. And to do that, they must: 1.) Deny that racial clusters like Caucasoid and Negroid exist. They hate the idea of a North Africa and a sub-Saharan Africa. They just want one Africa. A black Africa. Race is arbitrary in the eyes of the beholder. My personal take is that I view Africa, north and south together, as the most diverse continent. The idea of two separate Africas is pseudoscience, just as no one views North and south Europe as two different Europes. Nobody at egyptsearch has ever made that claim Mike. You need to read the threads a little more.
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 26, 2005 13:02:47 GMT -5
Race is arbitrary in the eyes of the beholder. My personal take is that I view Africa, north and south together, as the most diverse continent. The idea of two separate Africas is pseudoscience, just as no one views North and south Europe as two different Europes. It's a little bit more different than that, the dif. between north and southern partz of africa... You can't fault someone like Igu or Berter who can pass as Spaniard for not feeling any kinship with a Nigerian. If my homeland was in Africa, I wouldn't feel any special kinship with Africa but feel more kinship towardz ASia... A Zulu feels no particular kinship with a Yoruba and a Tuareg feels no close kinship with a Kabyle. If we use your reasoning, Africa would be divided into thousands of little kinship units and you would not be wrong. Thats more or less because of Islam.
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 26, 2005 13:29:18 GMT -5
That's not that simple. Asian Americans had nothing in common with each other if you put it that way, and yet guess who an new Asian student will next to at lunch in a high school? People like a familiar face. Also, a Yoruba culturally has way more in common with a another Nigerian group than with a Berber. That's BS you're giving me. If "we're all Africans", then why get offended when North Africans claim east Africans and Fulani or whoever as "Caucasoids"? All are Africans after all. Don't tell me that you don't see the difference then. Perhaps you're missing my point. There are differences in all Africans, a Yoruba is about as distant from a Hausa as a Berber is to a Yoruba. To the outsider unfamiliar with Africans we would not see it. Africans can readily distinguish themselves among themselves. I am not saying all Africans are the same racially or culturally. The continent itself is very diverse, a Berber is just as "African" as a Zulu, the physical distinctions do not make one group more African than the other. No one says a Sicilian is less European than a Swede, despite the physical distinctions between the two. Berbers are Africans just like Zulus are Africans. I do not use African to mean black. Non Islamicized Berber culture is just as African in origin as Yoruba culture is, though the difference between the two is noticeable just as French culture is as European as British culture. I'm speaking in the broad sense.
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 26, 2005 13:31:44 GMT -5
Igu and Berter may look more like Spaniards and Arabs than they do Yoruba, but culturally they're vastly distinct from a Spaniard.
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Post by eufrenio on Sept 26, 2005 14:29:59 GMT -5
That's not that simple. Asian Americans had nothing in common with each other if you put it that way, and yet guess who an new Asian student will next to at lunch in a high school? People like a familiar face. Also, a Yoruba culturally has way more in common with a another Nigerian group than with a Berber. That's BS you're giving me. If "we're all Africans", then why get offended when North Africans claim east Africans and Fulani or whoever as "Caucasoids"? All are Africans after all. Don't tell me that you don't see the difference then. Perhaps you're missing my point. There are differences in all Africans, a Yoruba is about as distant from a Hausa as a Berber is to a Yoruba. To the outsider unfamiliar with Africans we would not see it. Africans can readily distinguish themselves among themselves. I am not saying all Africans are the same racially or culturally. The continent itself is very diverse, a Berber is just as "African" as a Zulu, the physical distinctions do not make one group more African than the other. No one says a Sicilian is less European than a Swede, despite the physical distinctions between the two. Berbers are Africans just like Zulus are Africans. I do not use African to mean black. Non Islamicized Berber culture is just as African in origin as Yoruba culture is, though the difference between the two is noticeable just as French culture is as European as British culture. I'm speaking in the broad sense. A better analogy of African diversity woud be Asia, with people as different as Middle-easterners and East Asians. And genetically,a Zulu and a Hausa are closer than either to a Berber. Europe is far more homogenous.
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