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Post by jojoscircus on Feb 24, 2005 19:48:27 GMT -5
I've never seen anyone mention this, but have any of you noticed that Italians have 'full' features. That is how I usually distinguish Italians from other med. sub races. Everyone brings up Italian dinarics, but I think this 'full' type dominates. The people of this type are usually thrown into the Alpine-med category due to the roundedness of their features, but I wonder if this is a mistake. They seem much wider/rounder than Alpines. It seems that the cheekbones, nose tip and bridge are all fuller/fatter. I also think that this is what causes people to confuse Italians with mulattos though the two are entirely different.
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Post by buddyrydell on Feb 25, 2005 0:03:33 GMT -5
Hey Jojo what's up?
I sort of see what you're talking about. Greater nasal width combined with greater nasal length is what produces a "full" nose if I'm understanding you correctly. This type of nose is quite common on my Italian side and I kinda have it too. The prominent cheekbones are another trait that I often see on Italians, though imo they tend to be centered and prominent. Still, the Dinaric type is characterized by a larger, more projecting nose, maybe Alpine admixture would produce the nasal width.
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Post by bert on Jun 17, 2005 16:50:25 GMT -5
I also think that this is what causes people to confuse Italians with mulattos .............................I am from north eastern italy and would like to ask you one thing : do you come from the moon ? And what language do you speak there ? Or perhaps do you wear sun glasses , all day long ? Throw them away , at least when you go to sleep .
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Post by Edwin on Jun 18, 2005 12:30:45 GMT -5
I agree that the average North or Central Italian Med seems a good deal more robust than the average Med in South Italy or Iberia. It must be because of a small amount of Cro-Magnoid Alpine and/or Dinaric blood.
Many of the Meds of Greece also seem to have a small amount of Alpine and/or Dinaric in them.
Atlanto-Med can't be ruled out as a factor, especially in Greece.
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Post by Platypus on Jun 18, 2005 18:24:20 GMT -5
I've never seen anyone mention this, but have any of you noticed that Italians have 'full' features. That is how I usually distinguish Italians from other med. sub races. Everyone brings up Italian dinarics, but I think this 'full' type dominates. The people of this type are usually thrown into the Alpine-med category due to the roundedness of their features, but I wonder if this is a mistake. They seem much wider/rounder than Alpines. It seems that the cheekbones, nose tip and bridge are all fuller/fatter. I also think that this is what causes people to confuse Italians with mulattos though the two are entirely different. You are right. But Alpines, mainly centred in northern Italy, are on the whole less rugged, with more puffy and pedomorphic features as well as a mixed pigmentation. The type you question, (The mussolini type) is a coarse Mediterranean, possibly of Mesolithic origins or connections, that also often displays Alpine, Dinaric tendencies as well. This full lipped, wide nosed, bulbous eyed and thick haired type, with the addition of a good sun tan, may superficilally remind negroid tendencies. In the film 'True Romance' written by Q.Tarantino there is an exceptional monologue about this similarity. But ethnic Italians have probably no more mulatto blood than any other nation in western europe |
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Post by bert on Jun 19, 2005 3:51:23 GMT -5
The type you question, (The mussolini type) is a coarse Mediterranean, possibly of Mesolithic origins or connections, that also often displays Alpine, Dinaric tendencies................................................................................................................................... Really not bad this one . And ......what are you , mesolithic , cromagnoid or from the age of bronze ? I read very laughable judgements on what italian types are etc.etc. Probably all these guy have seen italy just on movies or on paper and looking at one photograph on paper of one guy , eventually decide what the italians are . Most of american-italians are from south italy . In america they are passed to be ''the italians'' just because they are the most represented group from the peninsula . I often read of central-north part of italy . What is this ? North and centre of italy are well different both for the look of people , language , mentality , etc , etc . Italy is three things : nord , centre , south . Inside them these parts are much more homogeneus , with regards to everything . Tarantino is from south , and I bet he is not enterely ''italian'' ( that homogeneus country that lives on paper ) . I don' t even know where he is from , but it is his last name that tells he is from south . Last names are different from north to centre to south. But anyway Tarantino may say what he likes , I live here and I am used to observe differences . Southern people may have mixtures that remind in some guys , something '' middle eastern'' not ''mulatto'' ( give Tarantino a couple of glasses but take care that lenses are thin as the bottom of a bottle ). And in Sicily , last names and the names of towns may remind this ( Marsala is from Mars Allah ) , due to a well known domination of the moors , but to tell anything the Vikings also settled there . The Normans . Although most looking like influence there , to me is not due to them .
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Post by hs on Jun 19, 2005 8:19:49 GMT -5
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Post by Platypus on Jun 19, 2005 9:10:36 GMT -5
Garibaldi was an ethnic italian from nowadays French Nice/Nizza
He was blonde or golden in haired, with a bony nose, He looks brachycephalic though it is difficult to tell. Nordic/Nordish
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jun 19, 2005 9:30:39 GMT -5
He could have been Noric. Frankly I find some of the stuff I have read on this board strange. Italians have full features! There are lots of Europeans who big lips, big noses and big eyes. There are lots of Europeans with the opposite and they all don't live alongside our Balto and Scandinavian posters. It is just stereotyping folks. It is often hard to tell a Southern from a Northern Italian. Sometimes it is hard to tell an Italian from a Austrian or German. I am Italo Swiss at least for hundreds of years but my origins are actually in NW Italy in a few valleys which go into the French border. My ancestors are from the Italian side of the border. Italy is composed of many ethnic groups that have blended over the centuries. Why single out Italians? If Americans think Italians are mulattos, so what! If Europeans think Americans are morons, so what! Who cares about ignorant perceptions? Maybe the Italians in the USA all came from somewhere else in Europe or Asia, who really knows? They could be light skinned blacks who have passed. Wasn't there an author who was supposed to be Jewish but was a light skinned black?
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Post by bert on Jun 19, 2005 9:50:35 GMT -5
Thanks Platypus , for making me laugh so much without paying for it . Really thanks . And so............................if my father and my mother had generated me while in Lapponia , I would be an ethnic italian , possibly with lap admixtures . Nothing against this possibility , just I need to know such a thing because I find it interesting . Giuseppe Garibaldi , the father of all the problems of modern north italy , and I don' t explain you why , is an ethnic italian . And me , what am I ? The son of Julius Caesar ? Those that you call ethnic italians are perhaps the minorities living on the border with austria and france whose mother tongue is german and french respectively . The italian ski team is made up with a lot of these guys . They' re not italians , they ' re austrians , from Sud Tyrol . Giuseppe Garibaldi was unfortunately italian from his feet to his head , of italian mother ( I would like to add something about his mother , but this is not the right place ) tongue . Anyway , thanks .
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Post by Platypus on Jun 19, 2005 10:07:14 GMT -5
@bert
Sud Tyrol has been part of Italy since 1918, Reinhold Messner, though German speaker, is universally regarded as an Italian and represented Italy at the Europarliament
Garibaldi was born in Nizza/Nice when it was still part of the Sardinian-Piedmontese Kingdom. Nice was ceased to France in 1860.
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Post by hs on Jun 19, 2005 10:30:13 GMT -5
a quote on the Lombards (people who ruled Italia after Roman downfall for some centuries, just as the Anglo Saxons did in England):
"Septemtrionalis plaga quanto magis ab aestu solis remota est et nivali frigore gelida, tanto salubrior corporibus hominum et propagandis est gentibus coaptata; sicut econtra omnis meridiana regio, quo solis est fervori vicinior, eo semper morbis habundat et educandis minus est apta mortalibus. Unde fit, ut tantae populorum multitudines arctoo sub axe oriantur, ut non inmerito universa illa regio Tanai tenus usque ad occiduum, licet et propriis loca in ea singula nuncupentur nominibus, generali tamen vocabulo Germania vocitetur; quamvis et duas ultra Rhenum provincias Romani, cum ea loca occupassent, superiorem inferioremque Germaniam dixerint. Ab hac ergo populosa Germania saepe innumerabiles captivorum turmae abductae meridianis populis pretio distrahuntur. Multae quoque ex ea, pro eo quod tantos mortalium germinat, quantos alere vix sufficit, saepe gentes egressae sunt, quae nihilominus et partes Asiae, sed maxime sibi contiguam Europam afflixerunt. Testantur hoc ubique urbes erutae per totam Illyricum Galliamque, sed maxime miserae Italiae, quae paene omnium illarum est gentium experta saevitiam. Gothi siquidem Wandalique, Rugi, Heruli atque Turcilingi, necnon etiam et aliae feroces et barbarae nationes e Germania prodierunt. Pari etiam modo et Winilorum, hoc est Langobardorum, gens, quae postea in Italia feliciter regnavit, a Germanorum populis originem ducens, licet et aliae causae egressionis eorum asseverentur, ab insula quae Scadinavia dicitur adventavit".
Historia Langobardorum, by Paulus Diaconus
Take notice of the last sentence. It says: "Ab insula quae Scadinavia dicitur adventavit".
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Post by bert on Jun 19, 2005 11:00:17 GMT -5
Platypus , we could try to ask Reinhold what he is , Italian or Austrian . Then we could ask Eva Klotz the same question . I don' t believe it is these two guys' fault if austria lose world war first and had to leave part of Tyrol to italy . Go to slovenia and croatia and ask to the dalmatians or istrians what they are . Till 1866 or near Verona was part of austria , but I don' t think my grand-grand-grand- grand father or mother was austrian . No one last name here has to be ascribed to that domination as it was not people' s move from austria , just a military domination . Another thing are the germanic invasions of Goths ( from Gothaland , nowadays the swedish region with capital goteborg ) and Langbarden . Those were people's move . That's why gandolfi is german and garibaldi too . Just for your knowledge my grandmother' s last name is from the language of langbarden while mine and my father' s one is from latin . My mother' s one is from german too . The last names , not the persons , that are not involved in asking themselves who they are , but live well the same without knowing it . With regards to me , I' ve a passion for history not for distinctions about meso cephalic indexes etc, etc . Ah , my lips are almost invisible , so I have to argue I have an ancestor esquimese , I believe .
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jun 19, 2005 11:29:58 GMT -5
a quote on the Lombards (people who ruled Italia after Roman downfall for some centuries, just as the Anglo Saxons did in England): "Septemtrionalis plaga quanto magis ab aestu solis remota est et nivali frigore gelida, tanto salubrior corporibus hominum et propagandis est gentibus coaptata; sicut econtra omnis meridiana regio, quo solis est fervori vicinior, eo semper morbis habundat et educandis minus est apta mortalibus. Unde fit, ut tantae populorum multitudines arctoo sub axe oriantur, ut non inmerito universa illa regio Tanai tenus usque ad occiduum, licet et propriis loca in ea singula nuncupentur nominibus, generali tamen vocabulo Germania vocitetur; quamvis et duas ultra Rhenum provincias Romani, cum ea loca occupassent, superiorem inferioremque Germaniam dixerint. Ab hac ergo populosa Germania saepe innumerabiles captivorum turmae abductae meridianis populis pretio distrahuntur. Multae quoque ex ea, pro eo quod tantos mortalium germinat, quantos alere vix sufficit, saepe gentes egressae sunt, quae nihilominus et partes Asiae, sed maxime sibi contiguam Europam afflixerunt. Testantur hoc ubique urbes erutae per totam Illyricum Galliamque, sed maxime miserae Italiae, quae paene omnium illarum est gentium experta saevitiam. Gothi siquidem Wandalique, Rugi, Heruli atque Turcilingi, necnon etiam et aliae feroces et barbarae nationes e Germania prodierunt. Pari etiam modo et Winilorum, hoc est Langobardorum, gens, quae postea in Italia feliciter regnavit, a Germanorum populis originem ducens, licet et aliae causae egressionis eorum asseverentur, ab insula quae Scadinavia dicitur adventavit". Historia Langobardorum, by Paulus Diaconus Take notice of the last sentence. It says: "Ab insula quae Scadinavia dicitur adventavit". That sounds like a load of cocky shit. Scandinavia is not an island. That man was rather dumb and should have stuck to his praying for his soul. Yes, the frigid North is very healthy and yes they did propagate many nations. Yes, what a lot of drivel. Post that shite on Stormfront. |
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Post by bert on Jun 19, 2005 11:55:41 GMT -5
Just for precisation : the '' Historia Langobardorum '' , written by a german that changed his name to paolus diaconus is the ''bible'' from which historians know everything about those people . Just for precisation . With regards to the fact that Paolus Diaconus talks of isle , the possible causes for such a terrible mistake may be three , imo : a) his GPS was out of order b) he was well ignorant about geography c) a detailed right map of the extreme north was not at his disposal at that time . I tend to believe the right answer is a) perhaps with a problem due to the batteries .
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