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Post by labi on Apr 25, 2004 12:49:32 GMT -5
slaven, slav, miroslav, vladislav whatever it is........ first is first i didnt say youre a macedonian. i said youre a slav and i was sure, theres no people in this planet stuborn as slavs. kaplan resuli is a looser interviewed "strangely" enough by other looser people as the fyroms/skopje. gjergj kastrioti was albanian. could his mother been slav? maybe but really who cares. he was an albanian chief like his father. his father though orthdox is burried in the ARBANASKI PIRG in mount athos monastery. skenderbegs alliance nobles were all albanian except the montenegrin crnjovic(whatever his name is). theres no coffe to smell. do you know who is Kapalan Resuli? i dont think so. FYI, he was imprisioned by hoxha, and because of that he is mad at albania and all the world. he is not a scientist, he used to be a little writer and actually before he got imprisioned he was just a teacher in an elementary school in albania. since he got out of the prision all he does is saying crap about albania like the one that you just posted. please try to find some credible sources next time not laughable ones. read your source better slav or do you need me to teach you? read the last part "WHOSE PRE-ROMAN BALKAN ANCESTRY IS UNCERTAIN". so our language has roman inprint on it that is certain but only the pre-roman part is a dispute. intersting. that would make albanians a pre-slav people. nice talking to you dragoslav.
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Post by Slaven on Apr 26, 2004 2:41:59 GMT -5
1. If he is not a scientist how it came that he is a MEMBER of the Albanian Academy of SCIENCES and Arts? Yes, he was imprisoned because he was telling the truth about Albanians....he did not lick the balls of Enver Hoxa. He was not ready to brainwash the generations of young Albanians....victims of their historical falcifications. 2. Yes Labi....the pre-Roman Balkan ancestry is uncertain....meaning maybe/probably there is NO pre-Roman BALKAN ancestry (loan words aside). As a matter of fact, you said that you belive Albanians came from Dacia...isn't right...so the territories you occupie today were occupied by another ethnos before you came. That is the SAME claim as the one of the academician - Kaplan Resuli ...isn't it? And about you as a pre-Slav people.....read Mario Alinei and we'll talk. Concerning Georgi Kastriot...he was a Slav at least by his mother (maybe Greek by his father).....everyone knows that. That Slavo-Greek (or Greeko-Slav) was fighting against the Turks mostly but not exclusively on the territory of modern Albania cooperating with Albanian chiefs....and that is why you assimilate him as your hero. In lack of your heroes you stole the Slavic/Greek hero. By the way...why was he burried on Athos...as far as I know those are ortodox monastiries. Is it because he was a defender of the ortodox religion...maybe ? Your ancestors deserted the VERY belief he died for. So, what is your connection with him? A Greeko-Slavic man with Ortodox religion vs. Albanians with Muslim religion. Tell me the connection...please . You renamed the Montenegrin Pavle Angjelich to Pal Engjeli....Good Lord...The Croat Ivan Buzuk to Jon Buzuku..... The Greek Teophanos Mavromatis...to Fan Noli....The Macedonian church musician Jovan Kukuzel to Jan Kukuzeli...Assimilated the Vlach Naim Frasheri (Frasheriots are Vlach sub-population in Albania). Those people were your educators and instead paying a respect to those educators of the Albanians you attack Slavs and claim Greek territories (Chameria). Feed the dog so it can bark on you. Good Lord. Now you say half of Greece (Chameria) is yours. Is there an end to your claims ;D. Have a good time . Slaven
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Post by Dienekes on Apr 26, 2004 4:28:24 GMT -5
Georgios Kastriotis was a Greek, he was neither an Albanian nor a Slav. www.geocities.com/northepirus/history2.htmlGeorgios Kastriotis: He was also known as Skenterbeis. Greek Epirotian prince son of Ioannis Kastriotis, medieval feudal lord of Krugia, in North Epirus. Georgios Kastriotis was born on1405 in the citadel of Krugia. He became legendary for its tries to unify the population of Epirus and eliberate the region from the Ottoman invaders. He fought against the Turks for 50 years and he did not lost any battle. He was concerned also about sociological and political issues of its era, and he was accepting as prime values the teachings of the major medieval Greek philosopher Georgios Plithon Gemistos, who was arguing for a neccesity of a definiton of the medieval state and the diversification between the warrior and the farmer. Georgios Kastriotis became a legend for the suppressed by the Muslim invaders Epirotians, and all Greeks. His figure was untill the 19th Century, considered as National Hero of resistance and military success. With the illegal creation of the Albanian state in 1914, the unorganized and savage till then Albanian tribes tried to invent a medieval history in order to justify the existence of their illegal state. So during the communist era, the stalinist regime of Enver Xoxha adopted the legend of Kastriotis forging the true history, and his origin. It was a clear example of newly created statal forms which in the lack of proper history are forging the legends of other nations. The Greek Epirotian origin of Kastriotis is easily demonstrated by simple arguments. Georgios kastriotis was cristian orthodox, in contrast with the big majority of the Albanians which are muslim (90%). His name was Georgios (ancient Greek name), and his surname Kastriotis (Kastro in Greek means castle, Kastriotis is called the person from the castle or the person with the castle). The majority of the Albanian names are Ahmet or Suleiman or something like that. Finnaly in his letter to the Prince of Taranto Jovanni Antonio, Kastriotis says: " Our ancestors were Epirotians, from which Pyrros the King was born. Who won the Romans and occupied Taranto and other cities of Italy. You do not have fighters to resist in the Epirotian courage" ("Georgios Kastriotis", K.Paganel, p.156, 1860).
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Post by Slaven on Apr 26, 2004 4:34:23 GMT -5
Yes it might be that his father was a Greek....but his mother Vojislava was a Slav. Nice post Dienekes.....just go on....I like it ;D.
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Post by executiona9 on Apr 26, 2004 8:56:52 GMT -5
I believe Albanians are mostly illyrian. I also believe yugoslavians are mostly illyrian despite the slavic language they speak.
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Post by labi on Apr 26, 2004 13:16:46 GMT -5
buroVICH was from yugoslavia. he was a men with a mission. to try and infentrate albania from the inside. he got caught he was send to jail. thats history, invasion and migration. to claim to be super ancient is too romantic for me. only greeks have proved such existence. the illyrian theory sounds really fake and it most likely is. kaplan probably saw this too and being dum enough got in the remiges way therefor sent to jail. now buroVICH tryes to say we are from caucasus, intersting how he learned about this in jail working the mines. who is mario? what has he studied whats his proffesion? why should i read him? actually besides slavs and greeks no one else knows that. is jesus also a slav and greek? every western source will say skenderbeg was albanian. all his battles were fought in the territory of modern albania. 1) two turlish sultans personally went on campaigns to crush this rebel, its very unlikely that the ottomans did not know who they were fighting and confused this "imaginary" "greko-slav warriors" for albanians and theur country for albania. 2)skenderbeg even landed in italy to help the kingdom of nalpes. so even by italians he was recorded as albanain and his soldiers as albanian. are italians also smoking weed when they wrote down such accounts or are the wirters of the middle ages trying to mislead driven by "imaginary" nationalistic ideals of the 19th century(3 centuries in the future ideals). 3)many of skenderbeg soldiers were awarded by the king of naples with land in south italy. their decendents still have villages there. they speak middleevial albanian and not greek or slavic. whats your excuse the italians forcely albnised them? skenferbeg was not burried in mount athos. his father and grandfather were. they were burried in ARBANISKI PIRG. can you please translate what ARBANISKI means? his ancestors were allied to serbian nobles, thats how they probably expanded their domains, by marrying with serbian royals and turning orthodox. however gjergj kastrioti turned catholic since and was burried in the catholic cathedral of lezha. you know nothing boy. i myself am a orthodox albanian, my ancestors are burried in orthodox graves. they are not greek, we never were and dont want to be. nice copying and pasting from your great teacher "doctor buroVICH". and please stop the fan noli bullshit. one of my cousins worked with him in establishing the albanian orthodox church. stefan lasko a distant cousin of mine was the succesor arhcbishop of the albanian orthodox church elected by fan noli himself. dont worry we albanians are used to all this abuses form slavs and greeks. if we were face to face as$hole. i hope kosovars launch another attack on you demons. i am.
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Post by labi on Apr 26, 2004 13:41:32 GMT -5
dienekes do you want to argue logically aboout this or just copy and paste aritcles? your vorio epirus sites are complete trash. if you really want to see how many greeks are in albania visit it yourself its been freaking 13 years since the communist regmie fell prove something not just yap your mouth. even artemisia admited there are no more than 120,000 greeks in albania. and i proved using racial anthropology that himara is racially albanian. kruja is not in epirus. it is in gheg lands. funny enough you guys claim his father to be greek at the time when his father ruled most of epirus was under albanian war lords even arkania(the land south of epirus). he only fought against the turks for 25 years. AND he lost one battle, the siege of berat where he was betrayed by his cousin. you guys want to claim him but you dont even know his biography, men youre so conviecing. can the statement get anymore racist? he was catholic. maybe he was born orthodox but who knows, he became muslim than catholic. in any case there are plenty of albanian orthodox such as me. plus theres a tribe in northern albania called kastrati, using the greek logic the name automitically gives them ownership of skenderbeg because they sound awfully damn close. question for you dienekes. is fidel KASTRO also greek? racist........... king of epirus was a title than. it means nothing. many albanians think we are illyrian because we simply live in the same location these ancients lived. such mistakes are always made by uneducated people. when bullgaria was an early state they try to connect with thracians. it means nothing. now some extra info on skenderbeg. the gheg tribes especially the catholic ones always remembered gjergj kastrioti. strangely enough the only montengrin who remember it are the ones that were once an albanian tribe or descent from crnojevic(the only non-albanian chief who joined skdenderbeg alliance). here are some facts.......... drekalo clan is of albanian origin. they come from berisha(the oldest of albanian tribes) PLUS one of the clan members left the clan and found their own tribe. the tribe of KASTRATI who settled in a land that was inhabited by serbs. they defeated the serbs and some were assimilated. if they were serbs to begin why would they turn the existing serbs into albophone? drekalo comes from the albanian word dreka/ndreka nothing to do with slavs. here is a quote from high albania that prves what i just summerized..........
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Post by Dienekes on Apr 27, 2004 5:03:37 GMT -5
question for you dienekes. is fidel KASTRO also greek? It is the ending in Kastriotis which makes the name Greek. Of course Kastro is not a Greek word, but the ending is. PS: I don't see what is racist about pointing out that a Christian named Georgios Kastriotis is unrelated to present-day Mohammedan Albanians. PPS: The low numbers of Greeks in Albania are due to the persecution of the Greeks by the Albanians and also to immigration of Greeks from Northern Epirus to Greece (and elsewhere). Northern Epirus is a traditionally Greek land.
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Post by labi on Apr 27, 2004 22:54:14 GMT -5
what ending the S that you forced on his name? the S that no historian ever used? oh yeah i forgot the western world is in a conspiracy against "great hellas". thoug every western source will disagree with your bogus claim it must be true since some crack-head wrote on a geocities.com must be true right? and kastro is a greek word. agyrokastro is a greek toponym. agyro=silver kastro=castle. in any case the city is not greek. it hasnt been since late 1300s. its very racist. kastrioti was once a muslim himself. just like him many albanians converted as they migrated out of albania and served the turks. nowe they migrate in greece and many of them are becoming orthodox. it means nothing. plus many albanians have christian surnames even though they are muslim which points to distant christian past. gjergj is far related to albanians far more than greeks. even old potraits of him show him with a hooked nose of dinarics. he is not a alpine thats for sure thus not a greek epirot. there has been no persecution. ask artemisia. the greeks even served the regime and earned high positions. enver had thing for dropulli greeks and offered them higher chances of education than any other group. in reality its the greeks that have persecuted albanians in epirus. 1944 you expelled the chams living in greek epirus. while we "the communist" gave schools to greek minority, greece "the democrats" gave zero rights to their minority and claimed 98% homogenous. so who is th persecuter...? or do i need to add how the greek army in 1914 tryed to massacare muslim albanians in my ancestors village?? and you did do it in golem(a village north of gjirokaster and few other places). so the low number is in relaity because there were hardly ever any greeks in "vorio epirus". check some previous threads where artemisia talks about how many greeks from dropulli claim to have comed from turkey. so in reality south albania has been traditionally albanian since the day albanians settled it(which was during stefan dusan empire).
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Post by Dienekes on Apr 28, 2004 0:24:36 GMT -5
what ending the S that you forced on his name? It is not the -s which makes the ending -iotis Greek. Kastro has a Latin etymology from castrum. In general, it would seem that Albanians are ready to switch their religion for convenience. Greek Epirotes and Greeks in general are often Dinaric. www.geocities.com/dienekesp2/moderngreeks/poulianos/There was no freedom of religion in Albania. The Greek Army liberated Northern Epirus. 1914 Northern Epirotes - Autonomy of Northern Epirus Northern Epirus is an occupied land and it will become Hellenized and annexed to the Fatherland in due time.
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Post by Ioulianos on Apr 28, 2004 21:03:59 GMT -5
dont worry we albanians are used to all this abuses form slavs and greeks. if we were face to face as$hole. i hope kosovars launch another attack on you demons. Behave!
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Post by Artemisia on Apr 30, 2004 10:14:25 GMT -5
Albanians tend to think that if they add an -s to their names, they will sound Greek, which is really not the case. That is true. You've got Albanians in Greece who have been baptized seven times and have seven dfferent godfathers. [/quote] Ummm, excuse me Dienekes, but the 100,000 thnic Greeks in Albania do not need to be Hellenized, they were and are Hellenic and speak the language perfectly and are part of Greek culture. My grandparents didn't speak a word of Albanian and my parents had to learn it because they went to University in Tirana; the same holds true for most other ethnic Greek north Erirotes. You must be speaking of the Albanian and Vlach ORTHODOX population of south Albania when you talk about Hellenization. Why should you Hellenize them? They are not Greek anyway.
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Post by labi on Apr 30, 2004 20:04:42 GMT -5
he was never recorded as greek, no historical records calls him a greek or even gives a suspicion that he might be greek. can you please explain? kastrioti is a lucky ending. its most likely because albanians end most last names with i. kastriot was probably the original. yes and skenderbeg is a fine/famous example. this was for everyone. greeks were subject to same laws as albanians. they were equal. right and i want chameria. 1943- freedom of chameria. Southern Epirus is an occupied land and it will become Albnized and annexed to the Fatherlans in the due time. i did what you did. aint i cool? ================== artemsia you go girl. tell it like it is. ;D
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Post by Artemisia on Apr 30, 2004 21:02:56 GMT -5
He was probably not Greek. His name sounds Greek but he was probably just a Hellenized Albanian.
Greeks were persecuted in Albania for being Greek, not for being Christian. Religion had nothing to do with the Albanians. Communism suppressed any form of religion. There were actually Albanians who were more religious than ethnic Greeks.
I hate to admit this, labi, but this is the only area where we ethnic Greeks of Albania and Greeks from Greece proper don't agree. As an ethnic Greek with deep roots in Hellenism, I don't want to be put in the same category as Orthodox Albanians and Vlachs, who are not (and I repeat, ARE NOT) of Greek origin. Same religion does not equal same nationality! You have Orthodox Ethiopians too but you wouldn't dare call them Greek. This idea about a 400,000 strong "Greek" minority in Albania was created by the church and the Vlach minority in Greece. The real Greek minority in Albania is about 100,000 in number. The church always wants more followers so if it could even have the Labs converted to Christianity, it would call them Greek too! That's why I am against the Christian religion.....because it always had a tendency to mold religious belief and ethnic origin into one.
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Post by Artemisia on Apr 30, 2004 21:15:10 GMT -5
Dienekes: Kruja is not in North Epirus. It is north of Tirana and this part was hardly in the territory of Epirus Nova. Just because Georgios Kastriotis sounds like a Greek name does not mean the guy was Greek. I can site many Albanians with a Greek-sounding first and last name (e.g., Paraskevi Simakhou, a famous singer in Albania.) Many Albanians have the names Georgios and Yannis, etc. (they even have names like Xenophon and Poseidon!) but they are not Greek. You must not forget that 30% of the Albanian population is Christian and thus these people have mostly Christian names. Most Albanian Christians dislike Greeks.
As for Georgios Kastriotis, no one knows for sure but chances are he was not Greek. He could have been part Slavic if his mother's name was Slavic.
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