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Post by eufrenio on Jan 25, 2006 14:27:09 GMT -5
Free Speech on Trial The daily Blog of Nick Griffin and Mark Collett (BNP)who are on trial in England. They both face up to seven years imprisonment for warning fellow countrymen of the dangers of uncontrolled immigration and the growing threat of militant Islam across Britain and Europe.
freespeechontrial.blogspot.com
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 15:07:10 GMT -5
Free Speech on Trial The daily Blog of Nick Griffin and Mark Collett (BNP)who are on trial in England. They both face up to seven years imprisonment for warning fellow countrymen of the dangers of uncontrolled immigration and the growing threat of militant Islam across Britain and Europe.
freespeechontrial.blogspot.com Is free speech on trial here?
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 25, 2006 15:24:10 GMT -5
Griffin said, at a private political meeting,
“Islam is an evil and wicked faith.”
The police was infiltrated and recorded the event on video tape. Now, regardless of what your opinions on the BNP are, this is a blatant violation of freedom of speech. Not only for their words, those two are on the dock for their thoughts. How can that happen in England of all places? It´s obvious Labour is setting up a dictatorship; they want absolute power and any kind of opposition behind bars.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 15:31:04 GMT -5
Griffin said, at a private political meeting, “Islam is an evil and wicked faith.” The police was infiltrated and recorded the event on video tape. Now, regardless of what your opinions on the BNP are, this is a blatant violation of freedom of speech. Not only for their words, those two are on the dock for their thoughts. How can that happen in England of all places? It´s obvious Labour is setting up a dictatorship; they want absolute power and any kind of opposition behind bars. To American Free Speech it might be. But then Americans free speech is monitored by the government. As is yours. To think that The Labour Party can set up a dictatorship shows a failure of understanding of the British People, thier covenants, values, and permanent government for the sake of a civil society. The Front is a runt.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 25, 2006 15:43:01 GMT -5
Free speech isn't on trial, it's on appeal.
Canada was one of the earliest countires to illegalize "hate motivated speech", under Pierre Trudeau, as lobbied by B'nai Brith!
What I can't understand is how a judicial institution goes about deciding what speech is "hate Motivated" and what speech isn't?
The Talmud isn't, because it's from the jews!
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 25, 2006 15:57:18 GMT -5
Why bring up the B'nai Brith and the Jews, Duke? Political freedom has a real enemy in Britain, and it´s the Labour Party.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 15:58:29 GMT -5
Why bring up the B'nai Brith and the Jews, Duke? Political freedom has a real enemy in Britain, and it´s the Labour Party. In think you two have common ground
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 25, 2006 16:07:40 GMT -5
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 16:10:54 GMT -5
Why bring up the B'nai Brith and the Jews, Duke? Political freedom has a real enemy in Britain, and it´s the Labour Party. In think you two have common ground These very same laws permit the expulsion of Islamic extremists. And those who don't wish to uphold a civil society will face the consequences of their actions. Labour could be booted out tomorrow if the electorate chose so. What is your familiarity with a democracy that's been evolving for eight hundred years, anyway?
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 25, 2006 16:16:14 GMT -5
In think you two have common ground These very same laws permit the expulsion of Islamic extremists. And those who don't wish to uphold a civil society will face the consequences of their actions. Labour could be booted out tomorrow if the electorate chose so. What is your familiarity with a democracy that's been evolving for eight hundred years, anyway? Uphold a civil society? Kinda like bombing buses? or sending historians to jail? All I can say is the EU are a lot more fortunute that their scapegoats wear suits and ties, and not belaclavas and AK-47's. No doubt they will though in time. P.s. "Democracy", 800 years? where'd you get that, encyclopedia britannica? [!]
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 16:20:54 GMT -5
These very same laws permit the expulsion of Islamic extremists. And those who don't wish to uphold a civil society will face the consequences of their actions. Labour could be booted out tomorrow if the electorate chose so. What is your familiarity with a democracy that's been evolving for eight hundred years, anyway? Uphold a civil society? Kinda like bombing buses? or sending historians to jail? All I can say is the EU are a lot more fortunute that their scapegoats wear suits and ties, and not belaclavas and AK-47's. No doubt they will though in time. P.s. "Democracy", 800 years? where'd you get that, encyclopedia britannica? [!] Now who could argue with that
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 25, 2006 16:21:47 GMT -5
We're in a very dangerous age. How many of us realize that, as a culture, we stand on the brink of totalitarianism. Like all totalitarianism, it promises us peace if we just give up our liberties. You want to be "free" from people offending you, right? --Well, just help us pass laws outlawing certain "types" of free speech. Speech should only be permitted if it's what the State deems appropriate.
These and arguments like them are the rhetoric of totalitarians. A similar fight is going on now in America. The Founding Fathers said "Give me liberty or give me death". Georgw W. Bush says, "What good are civil liberties if you're dead?" Ben Franklin said, "A people who give up their liberty for the promise of security deserve neither liberty nor security." Meanwhile the government says, "Those pesky liberties are getting in the way of protecting the people. Give them up--let the government tap your phones and open your mail--and be safe."
We're on the very brink of fascism once again--and the bogey man of terrorism is being used to cow formerly freedom-loving people. The worshippers of power have long known that scaring people with invisible enemies has worked to their advantage. Roosevelt once said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Meanwhile George W. Bush is shouting "Fear" from every rooftop. Every speech is laced with words like "evil" and "terror" and invisible "enemies" who could strike at any time--because we won't cede him more power and give up our liberty. This ideology was best distilled by Goering (though it was not limited to the Nazis) when he said: "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 25, 2006 16:24:57 GMT -5
No doubt. Osama recently spoke of a "truce", and what did the US govt say? "We don't negotiate with terrorists"...!!!!
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 25, 2006 16:28:11 GMT -5
Duke, Bush got caught illegally spying on Americans--and not Americans with terrorist ties. He was spying on the Quakers, Greenpeace, journalists. Basically it was like Nixon's "enemies list," where the current president was using the "war on terror" as a cover for spying on his personal enemies. Then--right when he's busted--Bin Laden conveniently speaks after a year and a half of silence . . . giving Bush JUST the rationalization he needed to keep breaking the law and infringing upon the liberties of innocent Americans.
Just like when Bin Laden released a tape three days before the 2004 election--which gave Bush a last-minute bounce in the polls.
How come nobody's noticing this stuff? How friggin' staged it all looks.
Every time Bush is in trouble, Bin Laden pops up on cue to give Bush a helping hand. It's a pathetically transparent "good-cop/bad-cop" act used to manipulate the country--and the world.
You should live in fear of Bush being impeached over the illegal wiretapping. He'll never let that happen. Another "Al-Qaeda" attack will be staged to get him off the hook and thousands will be murdered to advance this farce.
* Funny how Bin Laden--or the alleged Bin Laden--is quoting New York Times articles and plugging books by American authors. I had no idea that the New York Times delivered newspapers to caves in Pakistan. Bush would have us believe that they do. Even Tucker Carlson observed that it's odd how Bin Laden seems to be using Democrat talking points. Fascinating--Bin Laden's decision to take the position of Mr. Bush's enemies in a pale attempt to discredit anyone who questions our glorious leader. Does anyone else find this stuff cartoonish as hell? --Talk about an "actor" phoning in a roll. Bin Laden is becoming like the unseen "Charlie" from "Charlie's Angels," his whole existence being a voice from an intercom system.
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Post by anodyne on Jan 25, 2006 16:46:15 GMT -5
Monitored? yes. But I haven't heard of anyone being arrested for what they say or think by the state as of yet. Well, I do know of an incident where a woman had her purse stolen and her husband caught the guy. He used a derogatory racial slur when he took the guy down. He spent at least a day (may have been a few) in county jail. A person has a right to be an ass. I don't see how the state has to flex its muscles at a person who makes a speech unless its to direct people to commit violent acts.
I don't find it odd. Why wouldn't he be able to have people under him gather information? I'd find it odd if he wasn't aware of what was going on in the US.
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