Atreyu
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Post by Atreyu on Jan 26, 2006 7:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by Atreyu on Jan 26, 2006 7:47:35 GMT -5
Griffin said, at a private political meeting, “Islam is an evil and wicked faith.” The police was infiltrated and recorded the event on video tape. Now, regardless of what your opinions on the BNP are, this is a blatant violation of freedom of speech. Not only for their words, those two are on the dock for their thoughts. How can that happen in England of all places? It´s obvious Labour is setting up a dictatorship; they want absolute power and any kind of opposition behind bars. Labour is not a dictatorship that is an extreme statement.
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Post by Atreyu on Jan 26, 2006 7:52:21 GMT -5
Griffin said, at a private political meeting, “Islam is an evil and wicked faith.” The police was infiltrated and recorded the event on video tape. Now, regardless of what your opinions on the BNP are, this is a blatant violation of freedom of speech. Not only for their words, those two are on the dock for their thoughts. How can that happen in England of all places? It´s obvious Labour is setting up a dictatorship; they want absolute power and any kind of opposition behind bars. To American Free Speech it might be. But then Americans free speech is monitored by the government. As is yours. To think that The Labour Party can set up a dictatorship shows a failure of understanding of the British People, thier covenants, values, and permanent government for the sake of a civil society. The Front is a runt. Unless you forgot America is in a war.So the govement should be monitiring us.But you are still free to say what you feel.what do you got to hide?The people who are paranoid about this are the very same people if had the chance to be in power would be the greatest threat to free speech.MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 26, 2006 13:51:35 GMT -5
To American Free Speech it might be. But then Americans free speech is monitored by the government. As is yours. To think that The Labour Party can set up a dictatorship shows a failure of understanding of the British People, thier covenants, values, and permanent government for the sake of a civil society. The Front is a runt. Unless you forgot America is in a war.So the govement should be monitiring us.But you are still free to say what you feel.what do you got to hide?The people who are paranoid about this are the very same people if had the chance to be in power would be the greatest threat to free speech.MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT. These delusions are a tad mellow dramatic. They got you right where they want you. Wait! Look behind you! it's a TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!
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Atreyu
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Post by Atreyu on Jan 26, 2006 14:03:46 GMT -5
Unless you forgot America is in a war.So the govement should be monitiring us.But you are still free to say what you feel.what do you got to hide?The people who are paranoid about this are the very same people if had the chance to be in power would be the greatest threat to free speech.MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT. These delusions are a tad mellow dramatic. They got you right where they want you. Wait! Look behind you! it\'s a TERRORIST!!!!!!!!! Terrosists are not a joke.then threaten anyone and everyone.but i guess everything to you is a joke
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 26, 2006 14:14:31 GMT -5
These delusions are a tad mellow dramatic. They got you right where they want you. Wait! Look behind you! it\'s a TERRORIST!!!!!!!!! Terrosists are not a joke.then threaten anyone and everyone.but i guess everything to you is a joke An alergic reaction to tylenol is more threatening.
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Atreyu
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Post by Atreyu on Jan 26, 2006 14:19:31 GMT -5
Terrosists are not a joke.then threaten anyone and everyone.but i guess everything to you is a joke An alergic reaction to tylenol is more threatening. as i said its not a joke.
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Post by asdf on Jan 26, 2006 15:11:39 GMT -5
Stop saying "joke". It's so becoming of you.
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Atreyu
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Post by Atreyu on Jan 26, 2006 15:22:48 GMT -5
Stop saying "joke". It\'s so becoming of you. what would you rather me say? its not a laughing matter. since you made the comment its becoming of me point to an example? otherwise muzzle up
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 26, 2006 16:43:59 GMT -5
Stop saying "joke". It\'s so becoming of you. what would you rather me say? That you're a stooge.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 26, 2006 18:45:29 GMT -5
It's depressing--watching the "mainstreaming" of fascism. People who should know better--who are intelligent enough to see through the propaganda--siding with the State in its totalitarian desire to limit speech.
Once again, we see how history repeats itself and free people are seduced into giving up their liberty by people who will later betray them.
Atreyu especially saddens me. He's obviously intelligent. Yet he's echoing the rhetoric about speech being good so long as it doesn't stir up trouble. Once it does, then its justifiable to stamp down on it.
I'm an old-school believer in freedom. I think you should be allowed to say anything. Anything! Now if you ACT on calls to violence, then you should be held to account. But merely speaking of violence shouldn't be a crime.
Because what does "violence" mean? Who decides that?
Look at the Israeli lobby and its "hate crimes" laws. They're arresting people not for inciting violence but for disputing the figures of the Holocaust. Not a single person they've arrested has said "Kill Jews!" They just dared to say "Maybe 6 million didn't die. Perhaps it was closer to 1 million."
How is that "hate"?
Accounting becomes misrepresented as "hate," calls for factual scrutiny are presented as "calls for violence".
I don't see where one follows upon the other.
So that's the problem with allowing the State to decide what is "violence" and who gets to say what.
The State will feel threatened by things that don't at all amount to actual violence--and that's the greatest danger of totalitarianism: The "threat" to a fascist state is thought itself.
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Post by Atreyu on Jan 26, 2006 18:59:24 GMT -5
what would you rather me say? That you\'re a stooge. reality the greastest thread to western world is muslim terriosts its no laughing matter. These are the people which you feel sympathy for and not mention bnp with irresponsible speech.If Sir Winston Churchill were alive today these people would be in prison,both terriostist in britian and bnp likes.
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Post by Atreyu on Jan 26, 2006 19:05:21 GMT -5
It\'s depressing--watching the "mainstreaming" of fascism. People who should know better--who are intelligent enough to see through the propaganda--siding with the State in its totalitarian desire to limit speech. Once again, we see how history repeats itself and free people are seduced into giving up their liberty by people who will later betray them. Atreyu especially saddens me. He\'s obviously intelligent. Yet he\'s echoing the rhetoric about speech being good so long as it doesn\'t stir up trouble. Once it does, then its justifiable to stamp down on it. I\'m an old-school believer in freedom. I think you should be allowed to say anything. Anything! Now if you ACT on calls to violence, then you should be held to account. But merely speaking of violence shouldn\'t be a crime. Because what does "violence" mean? Who decides that? Look at the Israeli lobby and its "hate crimes" laws. They\'re arresting people not for inciting violence but for disputing the figures of the Holocaust. Not a single person they\'ve arrested has said "Kill Jews!" They just dared to say "Maybe 6 million didn\'t die. Perhaps it was closer to 1 million." How is that "hate"? Accounting becomes misrepresented as "hate," calls for factual scrutiny are presented as "calls for violence". I don\'t see where one follows upon the other. So that\'s the problem with allowing the State to decide what is "violence" and who gets to say what. The State will feel threatened by things that don\'t at all amount to actual violence--and that\'s the greatest danger of totalitarianism: The "threat" to a fascist state is thought itself. im sorry if hammas and others like them where in my country i would want them to have no rights,locked up in prison. and no one is questioning why griffen went to jail in the first place here is an interesting convo www.politicsforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28952&sid=181eddfe00b1f312f2d62233002ee30a
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 26, 2006 19:09:56 GMT -5
reality the greastest thread to western world is muslim terriosts its no laughing matter. These are the people which you feel sympathy for and not mention bnp with irresponsible speech.If Sir Winston Churchill were alive today these people would be in prison,both terriostist in britian and bnp likes. Winston Churchill is a contemptible slut, and should be remembered as nothing less than the complete destroyer of the British empire. giving the world in their stead , American Soviet Frankenstein hegemonies. It's funny Americans like the miscreant so... Wait, no it isn't. Biggest threat is multicultural insanity, thanks to america and winston churchill.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 26, 2006 19:17:31 GMT -5
It\'s depressing--watching the "mainstreaming" of fascism. People who should know better--who are intelligent enough to see through the propaganda--siding with the State in its totalitarian desire to limit speech. Once again, we see how history repeats itself and free people are seduced into giving up their liberty by people who will later betray them. Atreyu especially saddens me. He\'s obviously intelligent. Yet he\'s echoing the rhetoric about speech being good so long as it doesn\'t stir up trouble. Once it does, then its justifiable to stamp down on it. I\'m an old-school believer in freedom. I think you should be allowed to say anything. Anything! Now if you ACT on calls to violence, then you should be held to account. But merely speaking of violence shouldn\'t be a crime. Because what does "violence" mean? Who decides that? Look at the Israeli lobby and its "hate crimes" laws. They\'re arresting people not for inciting violence but for disputing the figures of the Holocaust. Not a single person they\'ve arrested has said "Kill Jews!" They just dared to say "Maybe 6 million didn\'t die. Perhaps it was closer to 1 million." How is that "hate"? Accounting becomes misrepresented as "hate," calls for factual scrutiny are presented as "calls for violence". I don\'t see where one follows upon the other. So that\'s the problem with allowing the State to decide what is "violence" and who gets to say what. The State will feel threatened by things that don\'t at all amount to actual violence--and that\'s the greatest danger of totalitarianism: The "threat" to a fascist state is thought itself. im sorry if hammas and others like them where in my country i would want them to have no rights,locked up in prison. and no one is questioning why griffen went to jail in the first place here is an interesting convo www.politicsforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28952&sid=181eddfe00b1f312f2d62233002ee30aBlair is the one that should be in prison, rather executed, as a war criminal. For the crimes perpertrated in Iraq and Serbia. Sad thing is, Mr Griffin is still more fortunate than others,
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