Stanley Tookie Williams Will Die

[dukeofpain]

tonynatuzzi said:

What does Hitler and Tookie have in common ? Does anybody here know the answer.

Nothing at all

[aroundtheworld]

From the boards on him to the news media it seems he has more white supporters/protesters than black.

They keep claiming he's a peacemaker(was).

Personally I'd like to see some news stories on gas prices going down to $.99/gallon.

[buddy]

Although I have my doubts about capital punishment as I explained in Jack Reed's thread on Tookie Williams, it's not as if this guy's life is any big loss as he still brutally murdered 4 people, regardless as to whether he tried to reform himself or not.

Additionally, any cries claiming racism are completely asinine. If I were an African-American celebrity, I personally wouldn't want people to see me out in the spotlight outwardly supporting him.

[aroundtheworld]

buddy...ITA with you on the celebs supporting them. It was best to keep their mouths shut.

[dukeofpain]

aroundtheworld said:

From the boards on him to the news media it seems he has more white supporters/protesters than black.

They keep claiming he's a peacemaker(was).

Personally I'd like to see some news stories on gas prices going down to $.99/gallon.

What twisted and disgusting people. That goes to show how truly demented these PC types are today. Self-hating scum that should just shut the f*ck up.

You know why Blacks and Jews and other minorities think they can attribute any and all grievances as the workings of the hate-filled majority, thereby completely disregarding personal responsibility? It's because they have a self-hating majority, like these supporters, lamenting their supposed "wrongs" by proxy and habitually.

It's a twisted cult of boundless guilt, that promotes this kind of sickness. And the cultists, especially careerist whore politician; xenophilic types, that dominate gov't, should shut the f*ck up.

[aroundtheworld]

dukeof pain you said it well. Preach it!!!

[Jack Reed]

tonynatuzzi said:

What does Hitler and Tookie have in common ? Does anybody here know the answer.

Both Adolf Hitler and Tookie Williams were nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. Ditto for Josef Stalin. Ditto for Benito Mussolini. Anyone can be nominated, so it's misleading when his supporters mention his nomination.

[Jack Reed]

buddy said:

Although I have my doubts about capital punishment as I explained in Jack Reed's thread on Tookie Williams, it's not as if this guy's life is any big loss as he still brutally murdered 4 people, regardless as to whether he tried to reform himself or not.

Additionally, any cries claiming racism are completely asinine. If I were an African-American celebrity, I personally wouldn't want people to see me out in the spotlight outwardly supporting him.

The celebrities would have supported him even more if he had murdered a police officer. Just look at the case of Mumia Abu Jamal, who was convicted of murdering a police officer. Mike Farrell and the usual suspects made him a cause celebre because he's another "artistic spokesman" against "the man". It certainly doesn't hurt that he is Black and his victim was White.

[nordicyouth]

It's ri-godd@mn-diculous that Arnie be condemned for 'terminated' Williams; rather, he let justice take its course. Many death-row inmates claim innocence, and many 'reform.'

Shame on Williams' supporters! Shame on Austria! Shame on Europeans who have no concept of the Crips and the Black mothers who've lost sons to those bastards. Shame on Whites who have little concept of Black gangland violence apart from N.W.A!

Jesus Christ! Whatever happened to justice these days. Weakness is prevalent in North American social leadership.

[tonynatuzzi]

If the roles had been reversed and Tookie was White and if the victims that he killed were Black I wonder if he would have gotten all this public support from so many people.

[Jack Reed]

tonynatuzzi said:

If the roles had been reversed and Tookie was White and if the victims that he killed were Black I wonder if he would have gotten all this public support from so many people.

Most Americans know the answer to that question. There's no way that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would have supported him. There's no way that any celebrities would have supported him. You would have to be in deep denial to believe otherwise.

[betrand]

buddy said:

Although I have my doubts about capital punishment as I explained in Jack Reed's thread on Tookie Williams, it's not as if this guy's life is any big loss as he still brutally murdered 4 people, regardless as to whether he tried to reform himself or not.

Additionally, any cries claiming racism are completely asinine. If I were an African-American celebrity, I personally wouldn't want people to see me out in the spotlight outwardly supporting him.

For those unaware of the facts of his case, the 'witnesses' against Tookie were jailhouse snitches from rival gangs, one of whom was given immunity in a murder he committed and was taken out of jail to testify against Tookie Williams. There is no way a guy can fake being changed for well over 20 years. People can change. The death penalty in the US is barbaric and serves no purpose; its simply a legal form of eye-for-eye. It doesn't make things safer and it most certainly doesn't deter people from committing murder. Before anyone judges Tookie to be a 'black piece of shit' they should read the facts of the case and what actually happened.

[betrand]

tonynatuzzi said:

If the roles had been reversed and Tookie was White and if the victims that he killed were Black I wonder if he would have gotten all this public support from so many people.

If Tookie was white he would have been given clemency a long time ago. If you're a young black male caught up in the system the odds are you will not be given clemency given the stereotypes and inaccurate depictions of black men being brutal, violent savages. When people think of reformed convicts the black convict id far from their mind.

[betrand]

dukeofpain said:

aroundtheworld said:

From the boards on him to the news media it seems he has more white supporters/protesters than black.

They keep claiming he's a peacemaker(was).

Personally I'd like to see some news stories on gas prices going down to $.99/gallon.

What twisted and disgusting people. That goes to show how truly demented these PC types are today. Self-hating scum that should just shut the f*ck up.

You know why Blacks and Jews and other minorities think they can attribute any and all grievances as the workings of the hate-filled majority, thereby completely disregarding personal responsibility? It's because they have a self-hating majority, like these supporters, lamenting their supposed "wrongs" by proxy and habitually.

It's a twisted cult of boundless guilt, that promotes this kind of sickness. And the cultists, especially careerist whore politician; xenophilic types, that dominate gov't, should shut the f*ck up.

I don't think most blacks avoid personal responsibility for anything, if anything its whites that do. I never understood why so many white people pay attention crime by blacks and other nonwhites and not look at white crime or at the very least they attempt to play down white crime. 90% of violent crime committed against whites was done by whites, yet blacks and other minorities are frequently scapegoated demonized as the biggest threats against whites. Why aren't whites facing up to the fact that they victimize themselves more than any other race? Where's the personal responsibility? When you point a finger at someone remember you have four fingers pointing right back at you.

[buddy]

betrand said:

buddy said:

Although I have my doubts about capital punishment as I explained in Jack Reed's thread on Tookie Williams, it's not as if this guy's life is any big loss as he still brutally murdered 4 people, regardless as to whether he tried to reform himself or not.

Additionally, any cries claiming racism are completely asinine. If I were an African-American celebrity, I personally wouldn't want people to see me out in the spotlight outwardly supporting him.

For those unaware of the facts of his case, the 'witnesses' against Tookie were jailhouse snitches from rival gangs, one of whom was given immunity in a murder he committed and was taken out of jail to testify against Tookie Williams. There is no way a guy can fake being changed for well over 20 years. People can change. The death penalty in the US is barbaric and serves no purpose; its simply a legal form of eye-for-eye. It doesn't make things safer and it most certainly doesn't deter people from committing murder. Before anyone judges Tookie to be a 'black piece of shit' they should read the facts of the case and what actually happened.

Betrand,

Please know that I was never one of those people crying out "Black piece of shit." In fact, I also explained the negatives associated with the costs of the death penalty in the aforementioned thread as well. But what I was trying to do was look at it from both sides and the fact still stands that he killed 4 people, regardless as to whether they were white or black. The race of the victims was a non-issue for me, as it should be for anyone. Murderers are murderers, and victims are victims. Sure he may have done some things to reform himself during his prison sentence, such as speaking out against violence, etc., but that doesn't erase the fact that 4 innocent people were killed.

Personally if I were Gov. Schwarzenegger, I would've had him simply imprisoned for the rest of his life without the possibility of parole, but because of what this guy did, his sentence of capital punishment was something he ultimately brought upon himself, and therefore, it's not as if his life is any tremendous loss to society. I apologize if that sounds harsh, but that's what I believe. Trust me, if Tookie were white, I'd think no differently. Additionally, if the victims were all black, I'd also think no differently.

I also acknowledge the fact that there are far higher numbers of black inmates on death row than white inmates. Unfortunately there is certainly some bias in the criminal justice system and I don't deny this, but in this instance I'm only speaking about Tookie Williams.