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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 9, 2005 14:34:13 GMT -5
I find that they're generally very misinformed. At least the ones I've argued with on the internet. I remember refuting a bunch of anti-Semitic/anti-Zionist propaganda at Skadi last year, and they responded by banning me. No one could answer my arguments, so I was silenced. No need to exaggerate. The second intifada caused the economy to collapse. It was actually on par with Western standards before that. Needless to say, it's growing again. What constitutes a 'true supporter' in your view? Sending billions in military aid? And who initiated that at the Aqsa mosque? and who failed to report the provocation?
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 9, 2005 14:36:03 GMT -5
Wow.. such a grand argument from someone unaware of Persian/Arab conflicts over the centuries. Arab women can vote in Israel, which until recently they couldn't do in Jordan. Arabs in Israel also have better worker's rights than any Arab nation. Go back to that "Stalin Executioner's" thread.. obviously you didn't since you answered my post so quickly. Yes, it's because you're an american that refuses to belive that the world is relative. Why don't you ask a palestinian, and ask a Saudi, who's happier and has more "rights".
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Post by anodyne on Dec 9, 2005 14:41:42 GMT -5
Wow.. such a grand argument from someone unaware of Persian/Arab conflicts over the centuries. Arab women can vote in Israel, which until recently they couldn't do in Jordan. Arabs in Israel also have better worker's rights than any Arab nation. Go back to that "Stalin Executioner's" thread.. obviously you didn't since you answered my post so quickly. Yes, it's because you're an american that refuses to belive that the world is relative. Why don't you ask a palestinian, and ask a Saudi, who's happier and has more "rights". Individual experience is limited and tainted by subjectivism. As an adult, and for someone supposedly interested in what goes on in the world, you think you'd be aware of that. Best you can do is look at different news sources of the same topic and adhere to scholars who have proven in the past to be objective.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 9, 2005 14:43:15 GMT -5
The Iranian people are not the same as the Iranian government. The same goes in any country. Shia Islam is a modified form of Islam with pre-Islamic, if you will Aryan or Zoroastrian, cultural elements. The pre-Islamic elements among Arabs are found among Bedouins. A lot of scared to shit filthy Zionists posted in this thread. Iranians aren't anti-Arab. They're Muslims, Arabs are Muslim, they support their Muslim friends and neighbors. Should they support Jews from America and Europe since these Jews are more deserving than the natives? I'm not talking about all Iranians, I'm talking about their thugish theocratic governement, their mullahs, and the puke-drooling Iranian sand bastards who support their fascistic ideology. Iranians in general, are far more tolerant than the majority of muslims. You only have to see their diaspora to realise they're the least islamic and the most educated of all muslims. Also, note that the most aggressive anti-islamic websites are usually run by Iranians. So unlike the likes of you, I don't generalize. When I talk about muslims I don't talk about all middle-easterns, and when I talk about Iran, I don't talk about all Iranians. You also talk about filthy zionists, now you display your real inside, tell me kid, are you a filthy islamic punk, or just, one of those 70-IQ dopes, who post on forums like Skadi and Stormfront, and who see Jewish conspiracy everywhere?
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Post by Yankel on Dec 9, 2005 14:48:25 GMT -5
I think Anodyne has demonstrated that he knows more about the issue than you do. Pay attention.
Where in the Arab world is homosexuality tolerated? Where in the Arab world do Jews hold government positions (not that any sane Jew would want to live in an Arab country)?
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 9, 2005 14:55:07 GMT -5
95% is way too high. www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/4483_13.htmThis study is a year and a half old but gives you a good general idea of European attitudes towards Jews and Israel regarding different issues related to them. If you exclude the communists, the national socialists, the converts and the colaborators, so yes, 95% are pro-Israel. Of course I excluded the muslim aliens and their unwanted offspring..I myself was a pro-palestine, and anti-semitic, just some years ago. Now I realize how naive I was, and it's the case of most europeans today, they're starting to wake up. Our ennemies are not the jews, but the muslims, and that's what the whole democratic and peace-loving world should know.
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Post by Yankel on Dec 9, 2005 14:58:00 GMT -5
Are you referring to the rumor about Sharon entering a mosque? You should know that never happened.
Maybe you were alluding to Marwan Barghouti? In that case, I would have to agree.
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Post by zathuras on Dec 9, 2005 14:58:12 GMT -5
I do agree that Iranians living abroad, like here in the US are very tolerant. Probably the most tolerant of all muslims. A lot of them aren't even anti-zionist.
The ones still living in Iran though, I don't have the stats but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority support the theocracy.
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Post by nymos on Dec 9, 2005 15:01:51 GMT -5
laudibilis, where in Europe are you from?
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 9, 2005 15:02:46 GMT -5
And who gives a shit about Russia nowdays? It's no more a superpower like it used to be, Russia now is just another third world country with a big army, and a great arsenal of AK's, rusted submarines, dated tanks and Migs that fly no more. Besides, it will be the acopalypse before United States let the former communist state Russia, "vaporize" Israel. Russians should also stop supplying thug states with nuclear technology if they want to regain their place in the international panorama. They're acting like a mafia at the time being. The united states wouldn't do jack shit. By doing so, would mean the end of America, forever. You speak like a typical american zionist. The truth is, russia is right, and america is wrong. You're talking like if Russia is still a big game, a superpower, while people are starving there and millions of russians would kill to live their crap hole. The soviet union is something revolved, wake up from your dreams. Russia today, is just a poor country, that lives in the glory of the past.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 9, 2005 15:13:30 GMT -5
Europeans are generally very concerned about the situation in Israel/Palestine and are not supportive of Israeli policies and actions esp. the youth. Nor do they harbour warm feelings towards the War on Terror. Israel's only true supporter in the world is the USA. Without it, Israel would be swept off the map. It's economy is tiny, and its military, while well-trained, could not afford a single M-16 without American money. The great majority of european youth is anti-Islam and anti-muslims. And like it's said, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. So what you said is just an illusion you have.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 9, 2005 15:19:50 GMT -5
Wow.. such a grand argument from someone unaware of Persian/Arab conflicts over the centuries. Arab women can vote in Israel, which until recently they couldn't do in Jordan. Arabs in Israel also have better worker's rights than any Arab nation. Go back to that "Stalin Executioner's" thread.. obviously you didn't since you answered my post so quickly. Yes, it's because you're an american that refuses to belive that the world is relative. Why don't you ask a palestinian, and ask a Saudi, who's happier and has more "rights". Listen to me kid, you and your muslim friends (if you're not already one), should go to Saudi Arabia, and live in the freedom and the human rights respect that exist in that country.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 9, 2005 15:23:07 GMT -5
laudibilis, where in Europe are you from? That's not something of importance. Let's just say I'm from western Europe.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 9, 2005 15:40:46 GMT -5
I think Anodyne has demonstrated that he knows more about the issue than you do. Pay attention. Where in the Arab world is homosexuality tolerated? Where in the Arab world do Jews hold government positions (not that any sane Jew would want to live in an Arab country)? Anodyne has demonstrated she/he doens't know jack about arabs, muslims, Islam, Israel, and doesn't take anything with a grain of salt, which in america is especially damnable. You zionists have demonstarated that your arguing can't exist with out rhetoric, nor can you avoid gross hypocrisy. Non-jews should be more interested in Halakha, than non-muslims should be of sharia. Anodyne is a unabashed noahide
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 9, 2005 15:41:49 GMT -5
laudibilis, where in Europe are you from? That's not something of importance. Let's just say I'm from western Europe. He's a zionist fifth column
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