Ask an African-American anything

[Agrippa]

annienormanna said:

agrippa said:

I'm in a long term relationship anyway
I dont care for "interracial dating" if it doesnt happen in Europe and most important - without results which would live here. That might be only bad for the moral, but again, not as much if it doesnt influence Europeans.

Other groups must decide that themselves, I'm concerned about the Neoeuropeans around the world too though. The face the same threat as the European heartland.

While I'm not too sure about the German nation (is any one? ;D), I wouldn't disagree about European civilization. A sense of consciousness is necessary, but does seem to exist. The only problem is the concept about Neoeuropeans. Who are they?

Europeans outside of Europe. They are racially, at least mostly ethnoculturally Europeans, just living on other continents.
F.e. Canadians, Australians, Argentinians etc.

I'm not as concerned about those regions because they are not the heartland and my (closer) relatives live in Europe as well as my nation but its obvious that they are closer than non-Europeans, even non-Europeans living next door.

While I'm not too sure about the German nation

Still a lot to learn

[annienormanna]

agrippa said:

annienormanna said:

While I'm not too sure about the German nation (is any one? ;D), I wouldn't disagree about European civilization. A sense of consciousness is necessary, but does seem to exist. The only problem is the concept about Neoeuropeans. Who are they?

Europeans outside of Europe. They are racially, at least mostly ethnoculturally Europeans, just living on other continents.
F.e. Canadians, Australians, Argentinians etc.

I'm not as concerned about those regions because they are not the heartland and my (closer) relatives live in Europe as well as my nation but its obvious that they are closer than non-Europeans, even non-Europeans living next door.

I would think I am a neo-European of sorts. Sicilian-Galizien. We used to call ourselves (friends, etc.) Euro-mutts (arf!) because of our mixed European lineages. I suppose you'd agree with this descriptor?

[Agrippa]

annienormanna said:

agrippa said:

Europeans outside of Europe. They are racially, at least mostly ethnoculturally Europeans, just living on other continents.
F.e. Canadians, Australians, Argentinians etc.

I'm not as concerned about those regions because they are not the heartland and my (closer) relatives live in Europe as well as my nation but its obvious that they are closer than non-Europeans, even non-Europeans living next door.

I would think I am a neo-European of sorts. Sicilian-Galizien. We used to call ourselves (friends, etc.) Euro-mutts (arf!) because of our mixed European lineages. I suppose you'd agree with this descriptor?

Yes, in general yes. But it depends on the exact situation whether I would consider them being a new ethnic group - since various were mixed and newly formed - or if they still are more German, Italian, French etc...

F.e. a pure Frenchman from Quebec, which is still French stamped in various ways, would be considered being such by me, much more than any mixed-non-European individual from Paris, whereas some heavily mixed (intraracially) Euros from the US would be just Euro-Americans/Americans to me.

The WASP/Anglo-Saxons something more specific again, especially if living in their own communities with their own rules and habits etc...

[annienormanna]

agrippa said:

annienormanna said:

F.e. a pure Frenchman from Quebec, which is still French stamped in various ways, would be considered being such by me, much more than any mixed-non-European individual from Paris, whereas some heavily mixed (intraracially) Euros from the US would be just Euro-Americans/Americans to me.

The WASP/Anglo-Saxons something more specific again, especially if living in their own communities with their own rules and habits etc...

Yes. There is a difference between "white" Americans
and Euro-Americans. It's not something you'd be aware of if you were just driving around. Strong identities exist that are colonial in nature. I suppose it's an assimilation process but it didn't quite take because of major differences in received culture.

[eufrenio]

annienormanna said:

agrippa said:

Europeans outside of Europe. They are racially, at least mostly ethnoculturally Europeans, just living on other continents.
F.e. Canadians, Australians, Argentinians etc.

I'm not as concerned about those regions because they are not the heartland and my (closer) relatives live in Europe as well as my nation but its obvious that they are closer than non-Europeans, even non-Europeans living next door.

I would think I am a neo-European of sorts. Sicilian-Galizien. We used to call ourselves (friends, etc.) Euro-mutts (arf!) because of our mixed European lineages. I suppose you'd agree with this descriptor?

Galizia in Ukraine?

[annienormanna]

eufrenio said:

annienormanna said:

I would think I am a neo-European of sorts. Sicilian-Galizien. We used to call ourselves (friends, etc.) Euro-mutts (arf!) because of our mixed European lineages. I suppose you'd agree with this descriptor?

Galizia in Ukraine?

Yes! The "other one." Halych, sub -Carpathia.

My mother's family (she was two years old) was evacuated by the SS to the Swiss border in a series of steps through Hungary and Austria,1944-5. Halych was called Die Galizien when Austria scored the territory off of the Poles in the 18th Century. The capital Lviv, was renamed Lemberg back then.

[Dienekes]

nockwasright said:

This assumes that the concept of Greek has a biological meaning, which is not.

Incorrect, the concept of Greek does have a clear biological meaning, i.e., common ancestry.

It's quite simple:

Greek + Greek => Greek (at least by birth, it's possible that Greek ethnic consciousness may be lost)
Greek + Foreigner => Greek (if he/she has Greek ethnic consciousness)
Foreigner + Foreigner => Foreigner

Truly acculturated Foreigners will eventually marry other Greeks and thus their offspring will become Greek.

My definition is in-between the notion of ethnic exclusivity (Greek+Foreigner=>Foreigner) which was the Nazi ideal (Aryan+Jew=>Jew) and the notion of choosing one's ethnicity which is a modern invention.

[Crimson Guard]

I guess a Sicilian can be also Greek ,cause were so closely related whether by genetics or Culture.

[annienormanna]

crimsonguard said:

I guess a Sicilian can be also Greek ,cause were so closely related whether by genetics or Culture.

It's true in the classical sense. It would be Greco-Carthagenian-Roman overall, but I am Normanna, among the Sicilian people.

[Dienekes]

crimsonguard said:

I guess a Sicilian can be also Greek ,cause were so closely related whether by genetics or Culture.

No, a Sicilian is not a Greek. He may have Greek ancestors, but so do Turks and Bulgarians, and many other peoples. Of course, if a Sicilian marries into the Greek nation, and raises his/her offspring as Greeks then they will be Greek.

[Crimson Guard]

Yes of coarse...but even from your accurate definition their ,wouldn't that also apply to Alexander who was Macedonian,not Greek in the most strictness sense?



As he is very much identified as a Greek national hero today,no?

So theirs a difference between blood/ethnicity/ culture then to modern Nation/ being a naturized citizen obviously.

[Dienekes]

crimsonguard said:

Yes of coarse...but even from your accurate definition their ,wouldn't that also apply to Alexander who was Macedonian,not Greek in the most strictness sense?

Alexander the Great was a Greek in the most strictest sense, since he could participate in the Olympic games and he was descended from Temenos of Argos, one of the Dorian leaders of the Peloponnese.

[Crimson Guard]

He was Macedonian though not Greek or from any of their city-States,as they called them Barbarians and outsiders as where their cousins the Thracians. Yes I do recognize him of Greek or partial Greek blood to,so theirs no argument their.

However Sicilians where allowed to the Olympics as well and contributed to mainland Greece in matters of the arts and sciences to. So if Alexander of Macedon was a Greek,and still is,then why not Sicilians?

In fact modern Greeks use Romaion as an alternative to Hellene,even though their not Latins/Romans in the strictest sense either.

Even the Dorians and before them the Achaeans where settled in Sicily.

Bloodwise I'am probably just as Greek as you are,but not Nationality wise.

[annienormanna]

admin said:

crimsonguard said:

Yes of coarse...but even from your accurate definition their ,wouldn't that also apply to Alexander who was Macedonian,not Greek in the most strictness sense?

Alexander the Great was a Greek in the most strictest sense, since he could participate in the Olympic games and he was descended from Temenos of Argos, one of the Dorian leaders of the Peloponnese.

Sicilians are as Peloponnese as any modern Greek. Except better

[Crimson Guard]

annienormanna said:

admin said:

Alexander the Great was a Greek in the most strictest sense, since he could participate in the Olympic games and he was descended from Temenos of Argos, one of the Dorian leaders of the Peloponnese.

Sicilians are as Peloponnese as any modern Greek. Except better

Some Athenian Greeks can't get past that we annihilated their great fleet and drove their invading army back across the Sea with the help of our blood-brother's the Spartans... ;D I kid!