Ask an African-American anything

[galton]

bertrand said:

Why don't you post these integral whites?

Yeah, OK.

[Agrippa]

Everyone wants to preserve their people, their culture, their heritage.

If that would be the case and Europeans wouldnt have been brainwashed by re-education and Liberal-Individualistic propaganda there would be no problem at all.

Don't tell me about Stalin and Communism, because it was the USA which helped them to win the war and without the USA Germany would have won the battle - basically the same like it was in the 1st WW. The 3rd party which waited to the end and had the lowest losses and investments took it all - literally.

But even this awful Bolshevism and Stalinism was better for Europe than Liberalcapitalism, preserved people and culture better, and that says a lot about the destructive character of Liberalcapitalism and its fallacies.

Concerning the USA it really depends on the exact region, but you will see were it still works whites dominate usually as well are conservative but at the same time social oriented and corporatist structures - something which never evolved to the same extend in the South for various reasons.
So its not like the USA would be 100 percent Liberalcapitalistic themselves, but groups like Walmart just show in which direction the whole society is changing and it will go much further in the future since there will be no other way - the plutocrats decided so, wanted to have maximum worldwide power and profits, therefore no protection, tariffs, social or ecological norms just the babble about their "values" which are, as I stated, like a fig leaf and a absurd construct anyway which is from reality as far away as their whole pseudo-religious and religious myth-construct they established.

[annienormanna]

agrippa said:

Everyone wants to preserve their people, their culture, their heritage.

If that would be the case and Europeans wouldnt have been brainwashed by re-education and Liberal-Individualistic propaganda there would be no problem at all.

No problem with what? In the end there is only the individual.

agrippa said:

Everyone wants to preserve their people, their culture, their heritage.

Don't tell me about Stalin and Communism, because it was the USA which helped them to win the war and without the USA Germany would have won the battle - basically the same like it was in the 1st WW. The 3rd party which waited to the end and had the lowest losses and investments took it all - literally.

Germany would have been flooded with Soviets of so many races that the only German thing left would have been some names. The US fought a two front war. Europe was not the only focus for US/UK combat. Considering the time the Reich took to amass forces the US simply responded. The timing of the entire war was up to the Gremans. I suppose you think the war against Bolshevism was a result of American pupeteering in the Chancelory.

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agrippa said:

Everyone wants to preserve their people, their culture, their heritage.

But even this awful Bolshevism and Stalinism was better for Europe than Liberalcapitalism, preserved people and culture better, and that says a lot about the destructive character of Liberalcapitalism and its fallacies.

It drowned millions of people wholesale. Germany would not exist. Starving much of the populace would have been the first order of business. Any Stalinist would know that.

As for the rest, whatever becomes of America, neither you or I will live to see the results. Slagging the US based on an anti-capitalist agenda hasn't changed anything. The very poeple who could bring it down are completely alienated by the ideas you present as rational argument, as posited truisms.

Whatever then outcome, the English speaking world will prevail. It keeps growing as we speak.

[Agrippa]

No problem with what? In the end there is only the individual.

The individual? For sure not, the individual fades away, whats left is the group.

The rest makes no sense, you should inform yourself first.

[annienormanna]

agrippa said:

No problem with what? In the end there is only the individual.

The individual? For sure not, the individual fades away, whats left is the group.

The rest makes no sense, you should inform yourself first.

You can't possibly expect an informed individual to accept your personal pontifications without a sense of humor, can you?

Collectives thrive on consensus- a veneer over chaos, if an informed peson took a moment to examine, then think.

[Oldbrit]

bertrand said:

jazz was created by blacks and creoles both of whom are nonwhite. Whites may have started playing jazz, but they had nothing to do with its creation, just take any music class and you'll find that out.

Until the enforcement of the one-drop rule around the turn of the 20th century, New Orleans had had for at least two centuries a substantial & prosperous population of "Free people of colour" - the Creoles. They were well aware of their Euro heritage, some of them studied music in European conservatoires and it was they who created Jazz out of its varied African & European roots. It was a mixed music from a mixed people from the outset.

The Creoles considered themselves quite distinct from the Blacks and resented deeply their being lumped together with them. Scot Joplin's rags were an attempt to expunge African elements from the music - which is why they don't swing and are an historical curiosity.

Much classical music comprises folk elements and Jazz is no exception, there's no reason to think that Creole composers were ignorant of the Scots/Irish & French folk idioms that were as much part of their musical environments as African rhythms, scales and call & response patterns.

I'll leave the influence of Jewish music teachers & Kletschmer for another occasion, but you can hear a lot of harmonic minor stuff in Ska & Reggae (I don't know where Charlie stands on Caribbean sounds) A pianist from St Vincent who taught me a lot of music included Jamaican, Cuban, Calypsonian, Brazilian and African in his definition of Jazz as well as the North American styles that Charlie mentioned initially.

[nockwasright]

^^ Very interesting. Are you a musician yourself, oldbrit?

[Oldbrit]

nockwasright said:

^^ Very interesting. Are you a musician yourself, oldbrit?

Of sorts. Semi professional = half the money half of the time. I've always had a day job.

Lately I've been trying to learn proper fingerings and to read music after forty years of self-taught strumming with occasional input from Afro-Caribbean musical acquaintances. Toavoid relapsing into former bad habits I'm practising with British/Irish fiddle tunes which I've never before heard instead of the various genres I mentioned.