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Post by Educate Me on Jan 24, 2006 21:05:08 GMT -5
because if you are as white as black 50% 50% then you cant call yourself black, you might as well call you white too, why not?
if a mestizo calls himself amerindian or white, dont you find it ridiculous?
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 24, 2006 21:05:25 GMT -5
Agrippa, do you consider german tennis player Nicolas Kiefer, who is half german half french, to be a german? Yes. I think he was raised mostly German and he is basically of the "same race" so to say. If someone comes from the same racial background how he is raised is crucial to me. In his case its absolutely clear since he has German blood. Heard the same from South Africa and other areas, mixed people which wondered that they asked them about their background and didnt considered them being of the same race immediately since in the US things are like they are...
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Post by anodyne on Jan 24, 2006 21:08:05 GMT -5
In Brazil socio- economic status defines if you're white or not with regards to people who are not Caucasoid or mixed, which is silly.
Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with calling a person with dark skin black when that's what I see. If that same person is of mixed race then I'd consider the person biracial or multiracial but still black considering that's the skin color I see and most people, including myself, unless the person is very light skinned, won't know at the moment of meeting that that person is mixed race. Sometimes it's clear and sometimes it's not.
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 24, 2006 21:14:00 GMT -5
Things get even funnier: African whites and mixed Arabs are no "African Americans" by definition, but mixed people, even pred. white but with some drops of American Negrid blood are "African American" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-AmericanIf its not clear predominance is present what allows a clear definition. A typical American Negroid with minor admixture, as an own form, was shown in Glowatzkis small work, I posted it on Stirpes+Skadi: forum.stirpes.net/showthread.php?t=2343
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Post by buddy on Jan 24, 2006 21:19:56 GMT -5
Agrippa, do you consider german tennis player Nicolas Kiefer, who is half german half french, to be a german? Yes. I think he was raised mostly German and he is basically of the "same race" so to say. If someone comes from the same racial background how he is raised is crucial to me. In his case its absolutely clear since he has German blood. Heard the same from South Africa and other areas, mixed people which wondered that they asked them about their background and didnt considered them being of the same race immediately since in the US things are like they are... What do you consider to be of the same "race" as a German Agrippa? Must they just be Caucasoid, European Caucasoid, or of the same basic Nordic-Alpine-Dinaric types that exist in Germany? You mean to tell me that if someone has a non-Caucasoid parent, despite how he or she was raised, they can never be a true German to you?
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 24, 2006 21:27:36 GMT -5
What do you consider to be of the same "race" as a German Agrippa? Must they just be Caucasoid, European Caucasoid, or of the same basic Nordic-Alpine-Dinaric types that exist in Germany? European at least, so predominantely of Nordid, Cromagnid/Dalofaelid, Mediterranid, Dinarid, Osteuropid or Alpinoid race. In exceptional cases such individuals can be tolerated - its a numbers game finally - but never a "true German". To be a German someone must be European in the first place and somebody who is not predominantely Europid can't be European...
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 24, 2006 21:31:47 GMT -5
Are Austrians "True Germans"?
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 24, 2006 21:32:26 GMT -5
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Post by olympian on Jan 24, 2006 21:33:04 GMT -5
btw agrippa is mehmet scholl german??
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 24, 2006 21:39:12 GMT -5
Are Austrians "True Germans"? Yes. Swiss too - ethnically. For an Austrians things are like that: European Germanic German Austrian Lower Austrian Mostviertler There are other "former tribes" and regions too, Austria was just under a different dynasty, thats the main point. Same goes for Walloons being as French as Occitans and Moldavans as Romanian as Transsylvanian Romanians or Swiss Italians - guess what... State = one thing Ethnicity another Race again something different Usually things are and should be correlated though. Well, his father is a Turk from what I know, so its borderline, but since he is pred. European racially and looks quite progressive I'd accept him probably. I would consider self-identification, religion, mentality etc. too...
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 24, 2006 21:49:23 GMT -5
I read from a few places that Austrians do not like being called Germans.
Swiss though are mixed,I would not call them German.
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 24, 2006 21:57:39 GMT -5
I read from a few places that Austrians do not like being called Germans. Swiss though are mixed,I would not call them German. Thats called re-education and has various reasons, no1 being brainwashing and the economic-peaceful success after WW2 and the "we are not German so we are better" mentality stamped after the war... Before that it looked very different. Furthermore there is rather an old rivalry with "Prussian" (Northern) rather than Germans in general. If asking most of them for Bavarians things might be again different. And there is the state-ethnicity problem too...people should never ask an Austrian "are you Austrian OR German" but if "AND"...even that might cause some troubles but for the reasons mentioned above...state ideology.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 24, 2006 22:36:48 GMT -5
How is it to live like a black man in the US society? Social interactions, frequency of explicit and implicit racial discrimination, etc. racism and discrimination are there to play but it isn't as bad as one might think.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 24, 2006 22:39:11 GMT -5
Do you think there are still AA around which would prefer segregation and own administration in their areas - with clear borders for all racial groups and autonomy for them. Not to forget that at the moment many AA areas are economically and socially dominated by other ethnoracial groups and the decrease of White America will just push them at the end as well, not bringing them in a much better situation with individual exceptions... Serious question. Furthermore dont feel many AA that Halle Berry is simply stupid if crying for "her 1st black success" when she has a Swedish mother? Such concepts of "Black" are idiotic. Obviously defining an ethnic or political unity (aka "African American") can be something different not depending on racial purity... Black identity isn't complex, we just don't in the "dodonite" way when it comes to racial identification.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 24, 2006 22:41:34 GMT -5
Do you have issues with AA's of other regions of the country? or do you notice people around you who do? We down south have no probems with other blacks from other parts of the country and its the same everywhere I'm willing to bet. We have a common struggle and heritage that binds us together. The only eceptions are Uncle Tom blacks like Clarence Thomas and Ward Connerly.
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