Palaeo-Atlantid (not what you think...)

[Synthesis]

What is really a "Palaeo-Atlantid"? The name was used by Lundman to describe a "race darker than the Nordid race - especially as regards to hair color. It is also coarser than the Faelish subrace, with stronger brow ridges, and a broader, plumper nose. With respect to the ABQ-blood group system, the Palaeo-Atlantid race is high in blood type gene r and low in blood type genes p and q. In the north, this race is named the Tydals race, after a village in central Norway" (B. Lundman, The Races and Peoples of Europe). It is clear that Lundman referred to Coon's "Brünns" and not to dark "British" types such as Sean Connery, Catherine Zeta-Jones and Tom Jones.

These are Palaeo-Atlantids according to Lundman's definition:











Note also its distribution: Scandinavia, Ireland and the Rif, exactly like Coon's "Brünns":

[One Humanity]

It was also mentioned by Lundman that the North African Paleo-Atlantids are relatively light in pigmentation.

[Glenlivet]

In which work?

german1984 said:

It was also mentioned by Lundman that the North African Paleo-Atlantids are relatively light in pigmentation.

[One Humanity]

"Lighter" than the Berids, that's what he wrote literally. Page 67, Bertil Lundman, "Umriss der Rassenkunde des Menschen in geschichtlicher Zeit", 1952.

There is a difference between his older and newer works I noticed. The description of the races is slightly different than what can be found at the SNPA (1977).

[One Humanity]

From "The Races and Peoples of Europe" (1977) that can be read at the SNPA:

B. Atlantid Northwestern Low-Skulled Racial Group (Always With Low Frequencies of Blood Type Gene q).
I. Long-Skulled (Dolichocephalic).
a. Palaeo-Atlantid Race: somewhat protomorphic, broad-nosed, very broad-faced, tall and robust, light-mixed in pigmentation. Low in the frequency of blood type gene p and high in blood type gene r.

snpa.nordish.net/lundraces.htm

[Synthesis]

Is there anyone here who has the first chapter? It's not available on the net.

[asdf]

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[Drooperdoo]

The top two pictures remind me of my own skull-shape--not the facial features, mind you: Just the egg-shaped skull from the frontal view, lol

Sadly, the second guy looks micro-cephalic.

[Glenlivet]

Gareth, light-mixed is lighter than some Nordids so pigmentation is similar to Coon's Irish Brünns. He also wrote in 1988 that Tydals and Palaeo-Atlantids are bigger and lighter than Berids. He called them all rest-races.

See Visigodo's post:

forum.stirpes.net/showthread.php?t=6113

According to those groups, Nord-Atlantids would then have to be predominantly dark mixed or less likely medium dark. That would make sense if Palaeo-Atlantid is the same as Brünn, because those I think are typical Nord-Atlantids in Ireland may have an equally pale complexion, but are less frequently freckled and golden blond haired than their Irish Brünn countrymen. You may compare Pierce Brosnan to Colm Meany.

[Dienekes]

Paleo-Atlantids don't exist. Joseph Deniker came with the basic classification system for Europeans in the late 19th century, and the system has stood the test of time. Of course, subsequent generations of anthropologists couldn't leave well enough alone, so they had to tweak and modify the system to make it sound more original or refined.

[Glenlivet]

Dienekes, what about Irish Brünns? Do they not exist either?

What about all the types described by Renato Biasutti?

dienekes.angeltowns.net/texts/biasutticaucasoid/

[wendland]

These "Paleo Atlantids" generally look Nordic, especially the second, third, and last guys. It seems that classifying them a separate "race", more properly phenotype, is splitting hairs to the nth degree. They're nordic period, or are there soon going to be races based on a few tiny details? Also, how did he verify the low frequency of the blood type q? Did he find people corresponding to that phenotype, and then take blood? And, he came to the conclusion that there is a "high frequency of this blood type... That's not very defining. That's like saying that cookies often have chocolate chips, so does that mean chocolate chips are a defining characteristic of cookies?

[Synthesis]

The second doesn't look Nordid at all. The third and the fifth are Nordid mixed. I agree with the difficulty of definining types with blood types and similar. I would not define them a "race" but a type of the Cromagnid subvariety of the Europid variety. These are my favourite classification terms.

[Arthur_Eld]

Certainly, the most archaic morphological type of the Mediterranean subrace is that known as Upper Palaeolithic, sometimes also called Galley Hill or Combe Capelle (or, by Coon, the “Bruenn race") from type fossil finds in Europe, and also frequently referred to as Atlanto-Mediterranean (Deniker). ~ E. A. Hooton, Up from the Ape

Distribution: sporadic in refuge areas of Europe and the Middle East; probably commonest in Ireland, Scotland, Wales

dienekes.angeltowns.net/texts/hootonmed/

To make it even more complex..

[Synthesis]

Strange. Is Capelle type the rugged one labelled "Brünn" by Coon? Someone divides Europid types into Cromagnid and Capellids, thinking this one is a refined, less rugged subvariety which includes both Nordids and Mediterranids. The "Atlanto-Mediterranean" in Coon's view is a slender, dolicocephalic Mediterranid type found in North and East Africa, the Mediterranean and the British Isles.

These are both "Atlanto-Mediterraneans" in Coon's view:



(Northern Somalia)



(Scotland)