Mongoloid Races and Types

[mike2]

The Tainos, being Caribbean Amerinds, were Brasilids.

[gee]

What is their type?

[mike2]

Foreigner, human2 and I have formulated our own ideas on why Polynesians and Ainu appear to be Caucasoid-like. We think that when certain Mongoloids are crossed with Australoids, a Caucasoid-like product results. This makes much more sense than a proto-Caucasoid presence in the Pacific.

gee said:

What is their type?

I would say that Thais are mostly Australasian like their Cambodian and Burmese neighbors. By Australasian I mean Southern Mongoloids (Austrasians) mixed with Veddoids. Very variable group. Some look distinctly more Mongoloid than others.

[mike2]

human2 said:

I wasn't aware I was working to formulate things with you, Mike.

I can dream, can't I?

[Agrippa]

Like it or not, SE Asians and Oceanians are "mixtures" of two distant populations, one of them expanding fairly recently, within the last ~5,000 years.
A lot of the variety in SE Asia, and even in southern China and Japan, is probably a result of this, though I don't think of all the variety is. Some are just change over the last few thousand years. At the start of the agricultural revolution, there were probably people who resembled northern Asians and Australo-Melanesians in SE Asia.

Interestingly you speak that often about the "outdated German sources" and now you saying something Eickstedt said already in the 30's after studying together with Japanese anthropologists the situation in South East Asia as he described it in his various books and in his main work about this topic, the population dynamic of East Asia as I described it...

[gee]

I wonder whether indonesians have also aboriginal admixture. Do they have darker skin tones than Chinese or not?

[mike2]

It's safe to say that the majority of all southeast Asians and Austronesian-speakers have Australoid mixture of some kind or another and this is why they sort of resemble the Mongoloid version of East Indians.

Indonesians and Malays are Nesids (literally meaning "islanders"), meaning they are basically Southern Mongoloids mixed with Veddoids and Negritoids.

[cocacola]

I have some cambodian friends that looked south indian. There was a lot of contact between the two regions in ancient time i think. HInduism is also present in south east asia.

[kir]

cocacola said:

I have some cambodian friends that looked south indian. There was a lot of contact between the two regions in ancient time i think. HInduism is also present in south east asia.

Many Anthropologists believe that Cambodians are mixed with a people that were similar to Indians, but this predates cultural and trade ties that Indians and Cambodians might have had, more recently.

[mike2]

cocacola said:

I have some cambodian friends that looked south indian. There was a lot of contact between the two regions in ancient time i think. HInduism is also present in south east asia.

It's that good ol' Veddoid element that binds them. Only difference is Indians have a Caucasoid element and Cambodians have a Mongoloid one.

[Crimson Guard]

Tibetians always looked mixed between Indian and Chinese.

[murphee]

Thanks for posting, Mike!

[Agrippa]

The racial base of Cambodia is East Weddid, similar to the element you find in Indian tribal groups and certain Bangladeshis, even in Calcutta you have a great presence of this type. East Weddids are just somewhat more paedomorphic and somewhat lighter pigmented than some Weddis groups in India and of course, usually mixed with Palaemongolids.

Indonesians have various admixture from Weddid, Melanesid and Negritids (Australasian - Australomelanesian in the widest sense), but from Sinids (Chinese) and even Europids (Arabians, especially in Malaysia and parts of Indonesia) too. The base is a gracile Palaemongolid variant, which is even in the more pure form darker and somewhat altered (Weddid).

[gee]

agrippa said:

and even Europids (Arabians, especially in Malaysia and parts of Indonesia) too. The base is a gracile Palaemongolid variant, which is even in the more pure form darker and somewhat altered (Weddid).

I 'd like to see those faces.

[Yaaaahhh]

Finally, a good interesting topic on Mongoloid types......

gee said:

agrippa said:

and even Europids (Arabians, especially in Malaysia and parts of Indonesia) too. The base is a gracile Palaemongolid variant, which is even in the more pure form darker and somewhat altered (Weddid).

I 'd like to see those faces.

This Malaysian has arabic admixture...


These Thais are Southern Mongoloid with Australoid admixture..