Mongoloid Races and Types

[Lycansupreme]

human2 said:

lycansupreme said:

Well, it certainly would be alot better than the piss-poor research (if you can even call it that) that currently exists, especially for south east asia. And to think that taxpayer money is being funnelled into these blatanly misleading studies by these so-called "scientists" at some of these universities just blows my mind.

You have to realize that these "studies" are centuries old. The modern stuff, primary literature/studies, published in journals, are basically accurate. It just gives the impression that studies are inaccurate because people on here prefer stuff from long ago.

Hopefully you are right. Hell, it seems the stuff I read on Asian-American websites seems far more accurate regarding East/SE Asian phenotypes than anything I read here or on most other general race-based sites lol.

[Lycansupreme]

human2 said:

lycansupreme said:

Hopefully you are right. Hell, it seems the stuff I read on Asian-American websites seems far more accurate regarding East/SE Asian phenotypes than anything I read here or on most other general race-based sites lol.

Are you Asian?

Vietnamese, which, according to most anthropological maps are the same skin color as Cambodians LoL.

[yma]

I am very sorry but this women has nothing to do with Western Siberia. She is obviously sinid, is chinese after nationality and her name is Vanessa Mae.

Vanessa Mae is actually southern Chinese of Singaporean origin, a famous violinist, and not Uralic.

Vanessa-Mae is in fact half-Thai (father), half-Chinese (mother).

www.vanessamae.org/introduction.php

[Melnorme]

Nice blog, human2.

[guntank]

yeah I agree with human2, I think it's pretty stupid to divide asians into so many -nids. I've lived in Taiwan for like twenty years and all I can distinguish is Han Chinese and native taiwanese tribes, with a lot of variation in between and it's not really clear-cut.

[mike2]

Like I said, sorry about the pictures in advance. I was in a hurry to illustrate and just googled whatever came to mind and I naturally screwed up a couple of times.

Perhaps this would be a better example of the "Mongolo-Uralic" type:



Here's the link you requested, Lycan, but it won't do you much good unless you can read the Cyrillic alphabet:
www.humanities.edu.ru/db/glossary/1

[gee]

^Isn't she just pure Mongoloid? I don' see " more often concave nose, rather light pigmentation of hair and eyes for a partially Mongoloid group, soft wavy hair."

[mike2]

If this were any other thread, I would say so because she is so extreme. But I'm not sure if there is any such thing as pure Mongoloids in Uralic populations. Uralians are confusing. Some look like Baltics, some look like Siberids, some look intermediate between Baltics and Siberids, others look like their own transient thing altogether and cannot be so easily classified.

I think Zemelmete's mom is a good example of what Bunak meant by Mongolo-Uralic, while Zemelmete herself looks more Euro-Uralic because of her father.

[gee]

mike2 said:

If this were any other thread, I would say so because she is so extreme. But I'm not sure if there is any such thing as pure Mongoloids in Uralic populations. Uralians are confusing. Some look like Baltics, some look like Siberids, some look intermediate between Baltics and Siberids, others look like their own transient thing altogether and cannot be so easily classified.

I think Zemelmete's mom is a good example of what Bunak meant by Mongolo-Uralic, while Zemelmete herself looks more Euro-Uralic because of her father.

ok, who is Uralic then can you show any picture?

I think these people are Uralic.


These girls are Euro- Uralic.


This man is Mongol Uralic.









This man is Mongol -Central Asian type.

[Educate Me]

what are the differences between northern mongoloids? northern chinese, japanese, koreans, mongolians.. who is generally taller? who is hairier? for example

[Hallam]

ienjoylurking said:

what are the differences between northern mongoloids? northern chinese, japanese, koreans, mongolians.. who is generally taller? who is hairier? for example

The AInu are the hairest by far. They may be the hairest people on the planet. N Chinese are the tallest. Men from north central and north western China are about 5'11" 180 cm. Most Northern Chinese are between 5'7"-5'8" (171 cm) but young men from Beijing are as tall as American men. They might even surpase them by a couple of inches in another generation or two. Young Taiwanese men 20-25 are alos as tall as American men (176 cm) (and they are southern Chinese).

[zemelmete]

I wonder what type of mongoloid do you refer yourself? I also don't have any idea about mongolo-uralic, but I think you can fit this description: low flat face, more often concave nose, rather light pigmentation of hair and eyes for a partially Mongoloid group, soft wavy hair, and thin lips. I think that's you! What do you think?

I do not put myself in any mongoloid type because I am at least 60% - 70% european. It means that I pass more in some caucasoid racial type than mongoloid racial type.
I never have heard about mongolo-uralic, this racial group is something really strange.
If to speak about my physical appearance, I have high, not low face, straight, not wavy hair and dark, not light pigmentation of eyes and hair. Yes, in pictures I have light hair, but they are coloured.

Perhaps this would be a better example of the "Mongolo-Uralic" type:

This nenets woman is arctic mongoloid, not "mongolo-uralic".

I'm not sure if there is any such thing as pure Mongoloids in Uralic populations. Uralians are confusing. Some look like Baltics, some look like Siberids, some look intermediate between Baltics and Siberids, others look like their own transient thing altogether and cannot be so easily classified.

There are pure mongoloids between uralic populations, if to speak about samoyedic speaking nations (nenets, nganasans etc.). If to speak about finno-ugric speaking Western Siberians like khanty, mansi, pure mongoloids among them don't exist.

I think Zemelmete's mom is a good example of what Bunak meant by Mongolo-Uralic, while Zemelmete herself looks more Euro-Uralic because of her father.

My mother is mongolo-uralic?

As far as I know my mother is pure khanty after nationality. Racially I guess she is arctic mongoloid with northern european admixture. I'm very sure about european admixture in her because she in childhood was completely blonde. And also she hasn't epicantic folds. She has that type of eyes what aren't neither caucasian or mongoloid, but which I can call "uralic".

[mike2]

Exactly, you've got it.

All Bunak meant by Mongolo-Uralic is a Ladogan that leans toward the Mongoloid Siberid side (as in the case of West Siberians), and by Euro-Uralic, a Ladogan that leans toward the European Baltid side (as in the case of some northern Russians). That's basically what Coon's Ladogan is all about, albeit the ones he talks about are the more European ones that live in Russia and who don't look as Mongoloid as West Siberians. I guess he didn't want to use the word Uralic because it's confusing.

West Siberid (fully Mongoloid): Samoyeds, Kets, etc.
Ladogan (partially Mongoloid West Siberians and Eastern Europeans): Khanties, Mansis, some northern Russians, etc.

Well, now that's out of the way, any other criticisms or questions about Bunak's types?

[mike2]

Yeah, some of the terms I kind of had to improvise on because the terminology would be slightly confusing otherwise. For instance, Bunak refers to the Sinid as the "Far Eastern" race, but most of the Mongoloid types fit that vague geographic description. I knew what he meant but it's better to avoid that kind of ambiguous terminology if at all possible. I also included alternate names that I've heard thrown around in the past for flavor. And the Austrasian and Austronesian subheadings are of my own design just for organizational purposes. If you wanted to view the original material, you'd have to work with the Cyrillic alphabet.

ARCTIC MONGOLOIDS
1.) Eskimoid (Arctic North America)
2.) East Siberid (Chukotka-Kamchatka)
3.) West Siberid (Western Siberia)
TUNGIDS
1.) Amur-Sakhalinid (Amur River lands and Sahkalin Island)
2.) Taigid (Tungus-speaking Siberia and Yakutia)
3.) Kumid (Mongolia)
SINIDS
1.) Nordsinid (Northern China and Korea)
2.) Mittelsinid (Tibet and Central China)
PALEOMONGOLOIDS
1.) Austrasian (Burma and Indochina)
2.) Austronesian (Malaysia, Indonesia, and Taiwan)
AMERINDS
1.) Pacifid (Pacific Northwest and Rio Grande enclaves)
2.) Silvid (Great Plains and Appalachees)
3.) Margid (California and Sonora)
4.) Centralid (Central America and Colombia)
5.) Brasilid (Brazilian jungle and the Caribbean)
6.) Andid (the Andes)
7.) Pampid (Patagonia)
8.) Lagid (Southeastern Brazil and Tierra del Fuego)
COMPOSITES AND HYBRIDS
1.) Uralic (the Uralian periphery and Lappland)
2.) Turanid (northern Turkestan)
3.) Nesid (East Indies, Oceania)
4.) Ainuid (Hokkaido and Sakhalin)
5.) Cipangid (Japan)

I think it looks a lot more impressive and readable in a condensed, simplistic form like this. The long drawn-out version obviously turns people off, even if Bunak is doing nothing but describing people.

Interestingly, he doesn't include a south Chinese type (Sudsinid). It's my bet that he thought the Sudsinids were more properly Southern Mongoloids, relatively unmixed with Australoids when compared to Indochina.

[josex]

???What about Tainos?