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Post by Springa on Jun 5, 2005 22:54:39 GMT -5
It's yellowish, but not because of blondism, that's what I mean. It's a white beard with some yellow overtones which is normal for old men. My grandfather had dark brown hair when he was young, but his hair had this yellow thing when he was old. It has zero to do with blondism. Show me a 30 year old with a beard like this who's not an albino and I'll give you some free candy of your choice. Blond hair??? This guy's like 100 years old. His hair is white, not blond. Eh? His beard is clearly blond or at the least noticeably yellow.
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Post by k5125 on Jun 6, 2005 15:28:19 GMT -5
It's yellowish, but not because of blondism, that's what I mean. It's a white beard with some yellow overtones which is normal for old men. My grandfather had dark brown hair when he was young, but his hair had this yellow thing when he was old. It has zero to do with blondism. Show me a 30 year old with a beard like this who's not an albino and I'll give you some free candy of your choice. Eh? His beard is clearly blond or at the least noticeably yellow. I don't know. First people say he dyed it, now its due to old age? I'm not saying you are wrong necessarily, but there really is no evidence to point to either of these theories. At least there is no more evidence than my theory that he is just simply blond bearded. Middle eastern people or even Indian people have some whacky colored beards sometimes, and I don't think its cuz they dye them.
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Post by lurker4now on Jun 6, 2005 18:18:18 GMT -5
Yemenis aren't "35% black" either. I'm pretty sure that study referred only to Hadhramaut. point is 35% in some "yemen" while other we just dont know do to lack of studies.
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Post by Meddish on Jun 6, 2005 18:28:22 GMT -5
Yemenis aren't "35% black" either. I'm pretty sure that study referred only to Hadhramaut. point is 35% in some "yemen" while other we just dont know do to lack of studies. It' dosent mean Yemeni's from Hadhramaut have 35% SSA dna rather that 35% from that region have some from there mothers side, or at least that was how it was explained to me?
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jun 6, 2005 21:44:29 GMT -5
That is right. It is the same with the 30% of caucasoid Americans have negroid admixture, but the percentage admixture is mostly less than 1% but can range to about 20% in some White Americans. The yellowing of old people's hair is not unusual. It does not mean anything genetically, it is just some sparse melanin granules that are still present in the hair absorbing some wavelengths of light and reflecting others. It is no big deal. And the habit of old men dying their beards with henna is very common among Arabians and South Asians. In Australia, apparently, I have heard and seen in old photographs, older Anglo women would dye their hair purple blue to hide their greys.
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Post by Meddish on Jun 6, 2005 21:48:57 GMT -5
That is right. It is the same with the 30% of caucasoid Americans have negroid admixture, but the percentage admixture is mostly less than 1% but can range to about 20% in some White Americans. The yellowing of old people's hair is not unusual. It does not mean anything genetically, it is just some sparse melanin granules that are still present in the hair absorbing some wavelengths of light and reflecting others. It is no big deal. And the habit of old men dying their beards with henna is very common among Arabians and South Asians. In Australia, apparently, I have heard and seen in old photographs, older Anglo women would dye their hair purple blue to hide their greys. Thank's for confirming Pronto, BTW I know that some muslims dye there beards red as the Prophet was supposed to do this AFAIK.
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Post by Springa on Jun 7, 2005 11:24:40 GMT -5
It's obviously ridiculous to say he dyed it. But it's a fact that a lot of people have this yellowish tone on their beards when they're old, and I gave you an example, my own grandfather. I mean, the guy IS old, and most of his beard IS white for chrissake. It's not like I'm saying his beard is white because he's an alien or something. It's yellowish, but not because of blondism, that's what I mean. It's a white beard with some yellow overtones which is normal for old men. My grandfather had dark brown hair when he was young, but his hair had this yellow thing when he was old. It has zero to do with blondism. Show me a 30 year old with a beard like this who's not an albino and I'll give you some free candy of your choice. I don't know. First people say he dyed it, now its due to old age? I'm not saying you are wrong necessarily, but there really is no evidence to point to either of these theories. At least there is no more evidence than my theory that he is just simply blond bearded. Middle eastern people or even Indian people have some whacky colored beards sometimes, and I don't think its cuz they dye them.
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Post by k5125 on Jun 7, 2005 11:43:40 GMT -5
That is right. It is the same with the 30% of caucasoid Americans have negroid admixture, but the percentage admixture is mostly less than 1% but can range to about 20% in some White Americans. The yellowing of old people's hair is not unusual. It does not mean anything genetically, it is just some sparse melanin granules that are still present in the hair absorbing some wavelengths of light and reflecting others. It is no big deal. And the habit of old men dying their beards with henna is very common among Arabians and South Asians. In Australia, apparently, I have heard and seen in old photographs, older Anglo women would dye their hair purple blue to hide their greys. Yeah but this guy is neither arabian nor south asian (if you mean Indian). He is an Orthodox Jewish Iraqi man. Something like 104 years old. All of the other Iraqi rabbis don't have any blonde or yellowish in their beard. So I highly doubt that he dyed it that way. Its possible that it is due to old age, although I kinda still have my doubts, but its much more possible than him dyeing it that way I think.
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jun 7, 2005 12:04:24 GMT -5
k, you are missing the point by miles. They say Jews are intelligent! Well, you must have missed the brains boat. The old scroat from Iraq or Timbuktu or who cares, doesn't dye his scraggy geriatric beard. It is yellowed because he is an old scroat, an antique man well past his best before date. No other Iraqi Yehudis have yellow in their beards because they aren't decayed enough and their beards still grey.
Old men have beards that color. Even 105 year old Aboriginal men. If Chinese men could grow beards they would be yellowed bearded at 105 as well.
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Post by lurker4now on Jun 7, 2005 12:43:11 GMT -5
That is right. It is the same with the 30% of caucasoid Americans have negroid admixture, but the percentage admixture is mostly less than 1% but can range to about 20% in some White Americans. The yellowing of old people's hair is not unusual. It does not mean anything genetically, it is just some sparse melanin granules that are still present in the hair absorbing some wavelengths of light and reflecting others. It is no big deal. And the habit of old men dying their beards with henna is very common among Arabians and South Asians. In Australia, apparently, I have heard and seen in old photographs, older Anglo women would dye their hair purple blue to hide their greys. thats true about the old english ladies.
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Post by lurker4now on Jun 7, 2005 12:53:23 GMT -5
most famous one tons of pictures of British poeple-from the sitcom called Are You Being Served www.ycdt.net/aybs/
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Post by zain on Jun 7, 2005 17:15:36 GMT -5
point is 35% in some "yemen" while other we just dont know do to lack of studies. It' dosent mean Yemeni's from Hadhramaut have 35% SSA dna rather that 35% from that region have some from there mothers side, or at least that was how it was explained to me? anti-arab made is sound like Yemeni mixed with apes ,African are still human ,the vast majority of Yemen are still not African ,not half African ,they are middleastren ,with a j-hoplogroups ,and R-hoplogroups .also north middeleast have more ancient East African male hoplogroups than south . Even if it turns out it was really in the range of 35% they still half arab from their father side . anyway I am going for my summer vacation when i come back i will make detailed respond to the anti-arab.but here is some thing to start with . k.domaindlx.com/Araboid/genemtDNA.jpg
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Post by lurker4now on Jun 7, 2005 17:22:16 GMT -5
It' dosent mean Yemeni's from Hadhramaut have 35% SSA dna rather that 35% from that region have some from there mothers side, or at least that was how it was explained to me? anti-arab made is sound like Yemeni mixed with apes ,African are still human ,the vast majority of Yemen are still not African ,not half African ,they are middleastren ,with a j-hoplogroups ,and R-hoplogroups .also north middeleast have more ancient East African male hoplogroups than south . Even if it turns out it was really in the range of 35% they still half arab from their father side . anyway I am going for my summer vacation when i come back i will make detailed respond to the anti-arab.but here is some thing to start with . k.domaindlx.com/Araboid/genemtDNA.jpgthanks for exposing your true nature (bigot)
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Post by lurker4now on Jun 7, 2005 17:39:49 GMT -5
dienekes.blogspot.com/2004/09/ethiopian-and-yemeni-mtdna.htmlBoth Ethiopians and Yemenis contain an almost-equal proportion of Eurasian-specific M and N and African-specific lineages and therefore cluster together in a multidimensional scaling plot between Near Eastern and sub-Saharan African populations.
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Post by lurker4now on Jun 7, 2005 17:51:47 GMT -5
, there is a significant excessof the African mtDNA component in another southernArabian population, the Omanis (37%) (authors’ unpub-lished results), as compared with the virtual absence ofthe Y-chromosomal counterpart (Luis et al. 2004).Third, the high frequency of haplogroup L6 in Ye-menis points to an enigmatic link between the south-western Arabian gene pool with that of East Africa. Thishaplogroup derives from the phylogenetic tree of sub-Saharan African mtDNA haplogroups but shows onlymarginal incidence in Ethiopians and is completely ab-sent elsewhere in Africa. Its high frequency in Yemen,together with low haplotype diversity, probably reflectsthe effect of genetic drift in a small founding population.A recent bottleneck of the general Yemeni populationseems unlikely because of the high haplotype variationin other haplogroups (table 3). A founder effect fromoutside is also not supported, because of the lack of apossible source population outside Yemen, in whom theL6 founder haplotype would be present at a significantfrequency. From the present evidence, the possibilitycan-not be eliminated that this haplogroup may even haveoriginated from the same out-of-Africa migration thatcarried haplogroups M and N and founded the mtDNAdiversity of Eurasia, the Americas, and Oceania. Yet, thisscenario would imply a total isolation of a southern Ara-bian population from the others in that region to explainthe absence of L6 types in other populations of the NearEast, Arabia, and elsewhere in the world. Alternatively,in consideration of the highly heterogeneous haplogroupcomposition of individual populations from East Africa(e.g., from Tanzania [Knight et al. 2003]) and the almostcomplete lack of data from some regions (like Somaliaand Kenya), it is possible that the source population ofYemeni L6 varieties has not yet been sampled.In summation, Ethiopian and Yemeni maternal line-ages can be seen as composites of both sub-Saharan andwestern Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups that coexist inalmost equal proportions on both sides of the Red Sea.On the surface, it suggests a very extensive bidirectionalgene flow between the two areas, readily supported byhistoric narratives as well as quantitative population sta-tistics. Founder analysis of individual elements of thiscomposition, however, revealed that, during the last sev-eral thousands of years, the populations of the Horn ofAfrica and southern Arabia, though sharing a minor partof their maternally inherited genomes, had received ma-jor demic influences from different sources—which theydo not necessarily share—including the Near East, India,and northeastern and southeastern Africa. The presenceof a frequent founder sequence type of an ancient andas-yet-uncharacterized haplogroup L6 in the Yemenipopulation, with no haplotype match in the African database, intriguingly points to a possibly early gene flowacross the Red Sea or to a signal of gene flow from anAfrican population that has not yet been sampled.AcknowledgmentsWe are grateful to all the donors of the DNA samples, fromEthiopia and Kuwait. We thank Phillip Endicott, for helpfuldiscussion, and Jaan Lind and Hille Hilpus, for technical as-sistance. This work was supported by Estonian Science Foun-dation grants 5574 (to T.K) and 5807 (to E.M.) and by Eu-ropean Commission grants ICA1CT20070006 and QLG2-CT-2002-90455 (to R.V.).Electronic-Database InformationAccession numbers and URLs for data presented herein areas follows:ADMIX 2.0, web.unife.it/progetti/genetica/Isabelle/admix2_0.htmlARLEQUIN package, lgb.unige.ch/arlequin/EMBL Nucleotide Sequence Database, www.ebi.ac.uk/embl/ (for the HVS-I sequences [accession numbersAJ748863–AJ749247])ReferencesAl-Zahery N, Semino O, Benuzzi G, Magri C, Passarino G,Torroni A, Santachiara-Benerecetti AS (2003) Y-chromosomeand mtDNA polymorphisms in Iraq, a crossroad of the earlyhuman dispersal and of post-Neolithic migrations. Mol Phy-logenet Evol 28:458–472Andrews RM, Kubacka I, Chinnery PF, Lightowlers RN, Turn-bull DM, Howell N (1999) Reanalysis and revision of theCambridge reference sequence for human mitochondrialDNA. Nat Genet 23:147Bamshad M, Kivisild T, Watkins WS, Dixon ME, Ricker CE,Rao BB, Naidu JM, Prasad BV, Reddy PG, Rasanayagam A,Papiha SS, Villems R, Redd AJ, Hammer MF, Nguyen SV,Carroll ML, Batzer MA, Jorde LB (2001) Genetic evidenceon the origins of Indian caste populations. Genome Res 11:994–1004Bandelt H-J, Forster P, Röhl A (1999) Median-joining networksfor inferring intraspecific phylogenies. Mol Biol Evol 16:37–48Brakez Z, Bosch E, Izaabel H, Akhayat O, Comas D, Bertran-petit J, Calafell F (2001) Human mitochondrial DNA se-quence variation in the Moroccan population of the Soussarea. Ann Hum Biol 28:295–307 www.oxfordancestors.com/papers/mtDNA03%20PolymorphismsInIraq.pdf
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