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Post by k5125 on Jun 4, 2005 22:52:14 GMT -5
Because he's a radical New Age Jew tryin' to keep up wit da Joneses. lol yeah well, he is a kabbalist so...
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Post by k5125 on Jun 4, 2005 22:56:22 GMT -5
every picture the beard looks different Its definately blond in every picture. I think the only way it looks different in a few pics is cuz the photo is very blurred, but everyone in those particular photos looks different.
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Post by NuSapiens on Jun 5, 2005 3:08:22 GMT -5
I don't know much about this particular topic, but I wouldn't take an elite family (Saddam Hussein's) to represent the average Iraqi. That's as silly as using Catherine the Great to represent the average Muscovite, or Vincente Fox to represent the average Mexican.
I'd expect the upper class in most of the Arabic-speaking world to be more "Arabian-like" in appearance than lower classes.
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Post by Wadaad on Jun 5, 2005 3:32:53 GMT -5
actually Saddam's family were not elite but poor villagers from Tikrit AFAIK
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Post by Melnorme on Jun 5, 2005 3:33:42 GMT -5
I'd expect the upper class in most of the Arabic-speaking world to be more "Arabian-like" in appearance than lower classes. Nah. After the initial 7th century conquests, the power in the new Islamic lands very quickly shifted to local 'power players'. If anything, the upper class Arabic-speakers would be more likely to be 'Anatolian-Turk-like' in appearance than the lower classes.
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Post by Wadaad on Jun 5, 2005 3:35:11 GMT -5
tyical middle eastern = whatever native to the middle east + arabian looks like Uday didnt have a proper fitting pair of trousers...LOL
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Post by Melnorme on Jun 5, 2005 3:36:08 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way, Saddam's sons looked Iraqi. There are Iraqi Jews who look like them too.
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Post by Agrippa on Jun 5, 2005 6:04:14 GMT -5
Modern state populations are a mixture of former tribes and clans, many of them were highly specialised, came from different regions, were adapted to another ecological niche, other social regime. In modern states and populations those former units on their own come together and the mixture is now typical.
To compare a huge population like that of modern day Iraq with those small city states f.e. or the few founders of them (even less people than which later lived there) is a difficult thing, even more so as you can find different variants in the Iraqi population of our times.
Not to forget all the later immigration of other elements, rather foreign to the region at the Babylonian times. But generally speaking, if just using rough typology, the ancient elements you can find in Babylonians survived at least to some degree in modern day Iraqis.
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jun 5, 2005 7:14:27 GMT -5
It's probably just because he's old. But there is a minority tendency toward blondism in the Middle East. People go blond when they get old? I have seen a good portion of red heads in the middle east, but very rarely blond. Some very dark haired people do develop blondish hairs when they start going grey. It is the last stage before they go completely white haired, the problem is that they had so much melanin in their hair that they have to live to be 200 before they go white haired. Blondness is still due to melanin, same as brown and black hair not some yellow pigment. In Arabia the old men dye their beards red with henna. Redhair is not that special and is not a sign of ultra Whiteness. It is just more common in certain European groups but it can occur in any race or ethnic group.
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Post by Igu on Jun 5, 2005 7:39:02 GMT -5
many arabs are mixed.im not talking about 5-15% im talking about 35-47% globalpolitician.com/articleshow.asp?ID=246&cid=2some quotes: "This conclusion is favored by the fact that Yemenite Arabs have 35% Black African genes in their mtDNA (which passes through the mother), while others have less." "The "real" Arabs -- those who have Arab ancestors stretching beyond the last 1,400 years – are actually 35% Black in their mtDNA. These Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula.[2]" -Yemeni are not "real Arabs", Yemenis were arabized like most modern arabs. -50% of the "Black mtdna" is a result of slave trade, the rest comes from east african migrations.
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Post by Melnorme on Jun 5, 2005 7:40:22 GMT -5
Yemenis aren't "35% black" either. I'm pretty sure that study referred only to Hadhramaut.
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Post by Igu on Jun 5, 2005 7:51:33 GMT -5
Yemenis aren't "35% black" either. I'm pretty sure that study referred only to Hadhramaut. Good info.
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Post by Springa on Jun 5, 2005 9:47:48 GMT -5
Blond hair??? This guy's like 100 years old. His hair is white, not blond. Here is another Iraqi Jew of Baghdadi origin. Whats with the blond hair though? Its highly unlikely he has any european ancestors.
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Post by Springa on Jun 5, 2005 9:49:16 GMT -5
They don't go blond, but it's very common for white beards in old people to get yellowish. Which is not the same as blond, of course. It's probably just because he's old. But there is a minority tendency toward blondism in the Middle East. People go blond when they get old? I have seen a good portion of red heads in the middle east, but very rarely blond.
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jun 5, 2005 10:59:17 GMT -5
Those poor Yemenis. I have seen heaps of pictures of Yemenis. They don't look 35 to 50% negroid. Not with those conks. Maybe 10% or less. Yemenis are Arabs, they are native to Arabia.
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