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Post by One Humanity on Jun 9, 2004 18:26:34 GMT -5
genetic studies... www.roperld.com/graphics/Pops72Phylo.jpgthe common english is only Anglo Saxon in culture... british natives (before celts) are still the predominant type in those islands... I do not know any bavarian, but I guess they are a lot different in the phenotype comparing with the english...nevertheless close relatives with genetics... I guess, not few Germans would turn out to have genetics of Dutchmen, Poles, French etc.. As there was a tribal heterogeneity once, different borders in the Holy Roman Empire etcetera. Interesting observation... Bavarians close together with Dutchmen and Anglo Saxons, on a complete other strain than "Germans" (as if Bavarians aren't). To freshen stereotypes up... Typical Bavarians can be imagined as robust Norics or alpinized Faelids, in my opinion.       - Dutch are very ectomorphic (Brünn and Dinarid are lanky), with both rugged and rounded facial traits (see van Goghs portraits). Their complexions are often stronger/the pigmentation darker than in the rest of the northern countries. A visible, skinny nasal bone is a sign of this region too, afaik.       If the Scotts, Spaniards and Icelanders wouldn't be nearby, I'd say the branch has a dinaroid element in common concerning phenotype. But I don't know how exacty these studies correspond to the individuals phenotype, presumably on a very low level. |
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Post by executiona9 on Jun 10, 2004 8:47:56 GMT -5
Im Dutch myself. I dont know if we are very ectomorphic.
about pigmentation:
Everytime I cross the border and go to Northern-Germany I notice that Northern-Germans are much lighter than Dutch people.
I think when it comes to haircolour/eyecolour Dutch people are similar to Southern-Germans.
However Southern-Germans have broader heads than Dutch people. Southern-Germans are mostly brachycephalic. Dutch people are mostly mesocephalic. One study showed the average CI for Holland is 79, another study showed the average CI for Holland is 80,3.
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Post by One Humanity on Jun 10, 2004 10:54:18 GMT -5
Im Dutch myself. I dont know if we are very ectomorphic. You may be right. It's not suiting description for the Dutch, but the Anglo Saxon/Frisian type, that is partly present in the Netherlands? |
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Post by Batesy on Jun 10, 2004 10:57:41 GMT -5
I'd have to say that Bavarians are more likely to be Alpine while the Dutch are more likely to be Nordic.
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Post by One Humanity on Jun 10, 2004 11:10:54 GMT -5
I'd have to say that Bavarians are more likely to be Alpine while the Dutch are more likely to be Nordic. Yes. Though I tend to attest the state where I live, Baden Würtemberg even more Alpines. The Bavarians are all in all just more robust/thick then we are, but that can be deduced from other subraces too and of course - the beer  and the consume of meat. See: dodona.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=raceclass&action=display&thread=1086650536 |
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Post by Vitor on Jun 10, 2004 12:35:01 GMT -5
phenotype are only what you see! there are dominant and recessive genes, and that is why phenotype don't tell all the truth! for instance... imagine that there is only 25% of blond hair gene in a given population. Do you think that you will get 25% of blond people? Wrong.... only 6.25 will be blond! that is why phenotype is not that acurate to tell genetic proximity. The Hardy-Weinberg equation states that for a single gene trait with two alleles, A and a, with allele frequencies of p(A) and q(a) where p + q = 1, the frequencies of the three possible genotypes are given by the equation p² (AA) + 2pq (Aa) + q² (aa) = 1 If "a" is recessive then only "aa" will produce "a" people! so 0.25*0.25=0.0625 6.25%.... |
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Post by Vitor on Jun 10, 2004 13:01:07 GMT -5
what do you think about this Hardy-Weinberg equation, and consequent implications?
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Post by One Humanity on Jun 10, 2004 13:17:50 GMT -5
what do you think about this Hardy-Weinberg equation, and consequent implications? Well, it's implication is not to marry darker pigmented foreigners with contiguous dark pigmented ancestors. But there's more in life than hair color etc.  It's only interpersonal esthetic. |
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Post by executiona9 on Jun 10, 2004 16:55:19 GMT -5
When it comes to skulltype Dutch and English people are more nordic than Germans. However when it comes to haircolour Dutch and English people are darker than Germans. So you have to be very carefull with statements like ``this population is nordic, this one is alpine, this one is med``. Perhaps a good description of Dutch and English people is brownhaired nordics (swarthy nordics). Here are 2 examples of what the typical dutch man looks like : www.nhv.nl/images/michiellochtenberg.jpgwww.nhv.nl/images/markbult1.jpg |
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Post by Vitor on Jun 10, 2004 19:18:17 GMT -5
the second one would pass for a perfect typical portuguese...
I can see some central european blood (german) on them...(more on the first one)
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Post by executiona9 on Jun 10, 2004 19:51:17 GMT -5
the second one would pass for a perfect typical portuguese... I can see some central european blood (german) on them...(more on the first one) I took these pictures from the Dutch national handbal team. Here is the rest of the team : www.nhv.nl/topsport/nederlandsherenteam/nederlandsherenteam.htmclick on the player names for photo`s |
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Post by Vitor on Jun 10, 2004 20:51:38 GMT -5
I think I know this guy!  He is just like my neighbour!  |
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Post by deuceswild on Jun 10, 2004 21:24:06 GMT -5
Aren't the Dutch mostly descended from Frisians and Flemings, both of whom were linguistically Germanic?
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Post by executiona9 on Jun 10, 2004 21:27:59 GMT -5
Aren't the Dutch mostly descended from Frisians and Flemings, both of whom were linguistically Germanic? Dutch people are a megamix : celts, germanics, romans, Spaniards who ruled Holland for 200 years, Southern-French Hugenots that migrated to Holland, the French that ruled Holland etc dutch people are a mixture between almost everything you can imagin |
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Post by deuceswild on Jun 10, 2004 21:37:30 GMT -5
Quite a melting pot. But then again I suppose every European nation has their own individual melting pot.
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and the consume of meat.
It's only interpersonal esthetic.