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Post by Graeme on Jun 8, 2004 9:38:05 GMT -5
Yes, but after he fell out with his younger brother over the inheritance he went off and formed his own line, the line of Edom. So what I said was right, from the bible point of view, Esau became Edom and Jacob became Israel, and it is from Jacob's line that are Jews.
Anyway it is not becoming for his satanic majesty to make it known to have read the bible, King James version.
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Post by k5125 on Jun 10, 2004 14:01:05 GMT -5
"Based on the bible, besides the stereotypical dark Mediterranean Arab-Jewish standard"
I am not sure what you meant by this, so forgive me if I misinterpreted what you said. But "arab" is not synonomous with middle eastern. Most of the time it doesn't even relate to race (arabian), but rather to culture.
And back then, the arabs weren't even in Canaan, they were still in arabia. The arab culture didn't even spread throughout the middle east yet.
There were no such thing as "arab jews." They were hebrews, plain and simple.
Even today people get confused when they hear the outdated term "jewish arab" or "arab jew." They think it pertains to race. It doesn't.
All "arab jew" means is a jew who was born into an arab nation, speaks arabic, and is a part of arabic culture. It does not mean he loses his ethnic/racial hebrew ancestry.
Jewish is more than religion. Its also a "race" for lack of better words.
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Post by k5125 on Jun 10, 2004 14:06:30 GMT -5
Anywayz, you are right.
Red hair is a very common trait among jews. It is also common among kurds and armenians, groups which are even more closely related to the jews then the arabs are.
I would have to say that black hair and dark brown hair are most common among jews, but red hair is very common as well.
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Post by chairface on Jul 29, 2004 19:59:25 GMT -5
I think somewhere in the bible says that one of the Israelites has red hair covering his entire body. So they might've had lots of body hair.
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Post by Graeme on Jul 30, 2004 12:06:48 GMT -5
You are talking about Esau who became Edom. Yes, it says he was very hairy.
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Post by k5125 on Jul 30, 2004 15:19:40 GMT -5
I think most Israeli Jews resemble native lebanese people the most.
I used to think Tony Shalhoub was a Jew just by his looks alone. Then I found out his last name.
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Post by pconroy on Aug 11, 2004 15:58:41 GMT -5
Anywayz, you are right. Red hair is a very common trait among jews. It is also common among kurds and armenians, groups which are even more closely related to the jews then the arabs are. I would have to say that black hair and dark brown hair are most common among jews, but red hair is very common as well. Here is a picture of one of Saddam Hussein's henchmen, Issat Ibrahim Al-Duri, and not only does he have red hair, but also freckles and fair skin, it seems: I had thought that only Ashkenazi Jews had red hair - supposedly from the Khazars, by way of the Alans/Avars, an Iranic groups from North Caucuses/Ukraine - comments?
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Post by Melnorme on Aug 11, 2004 17:08:49 GMT -5
I've seen reports of increased frequencies of red hair in all Jewish groups. I suspect this may have to do with being inbred to a certain extent. Red as well as blonde hair is found among all Middle Easterners in small frequencies.
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Post by One Humanity on Aug 11, 2004 17:56:21 GMT -5
I've once seen a Palestinian with red hair in television, that's right. He lived nearby the military base, that was attacked by stone-throwing people on the roof of a house next.
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Post by pconroy on Aug 11, 2004 18:39:32 GMT -5
I've seen reports of increased frequencies of red hair in all Jewish groups. I suspect this may have to do with being inbred to a certain extent. Red as well as blonde hair is found among all Middle Easterners in small frequencies. I don't see how this could happen naturally, without new population admixture of a decidedly red haired population (Scots)? There is of course genetic drift and founder effects, but that only makes sense in very small populations On the other hand, if Israel is anything like the US in terms or fashion trends, then you will notice as I do, that a lot of dark haired mediterranean women dye their hair red and attempt to pass that off as their natural color - the reason being, is that blonde hair doesn't seem quite as natural and needs to be dyed more often I suspect.
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Post by One Humanity on Aug 11, 2004 19:16:48 GMT -5
I've once seen a Palestinian with red hair in television, that's right. He lived nearby the military base, that was attacked by stone-throwing people on the roof of a house next. Well, the riots were on the roof, the man lived in another house.
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Post by Melnorme on Aug 11, 2004 19:38:30 GMT -5
But there is no 'decidedly red-haired' population. It is a minority trait in all Caucasoids, that happens to be found in somewhat larger ( but still minor ) frequencies in Western Europe and particularly in the British Isles.
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Post by pconroy on Aug 11, 2004 20:36:29 GMT -5
But there is no 'decidedly red-haired' population. It is a minority trait in all Caucasoids, that happens to be found in somewhat larger ( but still minor ) frequencies in Western Europe and particularly in the British Isles. Well red hair is recessive, so that the carrier rate of these genes is on average - using simple Mendelian methods - 4 times the actual manifestation of the gene itself. Therefore if 15% of Scottish people are red-haired - and I have seen figures that claim higher percentages - then the heterozygous carrier rate must approach 60%. That to me is a decidedly red-haired population.
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Post by Springa on Aug 11, 2004 22:11:47 GMT -5
This is just like saying that you don't understand how can there be blond people at a place without Finnish or Swedish admixture. I don't see how this could happen naturally, without new population admixture of a decidedly red haired population (Scots)? There is of course genetic drift and founder effects, but that only makes sense in very small populations On the other hand, if Israel is anything like the US in terms or fashion trends, then you will notice as I do, that a lot of dark haired mediterranean women dye their hair red and attempt to pass that off as their natural color - the reason being, is that blonde hair doesn't seem quite as natural and needs to be dyed more often I suspect.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Aug 11, 2004 23:47:41 GMT -5
Achilles and Meneleus both had red hair! Ramses the Great was a redhead.A number of Sicilians have redhair as wel as the ancient Egpytians.
Red Hair was seen as a sign of war and often as evil but yet powerful.
The Egyptian God "Set" had redhair.
something interesting about the jews:
I foreget who it was, but someone in the bible was a fierce Warrior with red hair,and was caste out and lived in a faraway land.When the Romans came the jew beleived the Roman to be his decendants and vengence cause of their red capes and banners.
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