Iraq invasion= cosmic justice?

[Kame]

I was doing research on Nubia. I recall a "baqt" treaty between muslim egypt and christian nubia in the 600's A.D., Where the latter exchanged slaves and other goods in an uneven "peace" pact to the muslims, 360 black slaves every year for over 600 years.

Also, I noticed muslim slavery had a certain bias in terms of black africans in those times. Peoples genitals would be cut off. Millions of black africans were shipped the muslim world to serve as concubines, slave-soldiers, eunuch-guards, and human pack animals. They targeted black-africans more so than any other group. While it is true that they enslaved everyone they could generally get their hands on, they reserved a special place for blacks. It is estimated that over 10 million black slaves were exported. This went on for over 1000 years. In fact it was'nt banned in saudi arabia till the 1960's and it still exists in sudan and mauritania. To do that to so many people is horrible, where is karma? Where is cause and effect?

At first I laughed when bush said he was invading iraq, it was hilarious, there was no reason to. Not to say that he did it for the "black folks" or anything, but in a sense, it's sorta like cosmic justice being played out without his knowing of it. It's funny how history makes total swictch-arounds like that. The muslim-arabs used to have the strongest armies in the world and the most scientific acheivements of the time. Now the middle east is relatively poor compared to the western world, has weak armies, etc. The U.S. army also consists of large numbers of black men and women.

But hey, this is just something I was thinking about. No offense to any muslims or middle-easterners on this board.

[alexandrian]

In the 600s Egypt was not Muslim. Islam did not spread outside Arabia until the 700s, and even after it got a footing in Egypt, it took another few hundred years for Egypt to become an "Islamic" nation, so I don't really see how this "treaty" thing works.

[Kame]

Alexandrian said:

In the 600s Egypt was not Muslim. Islam did not spread outside Arabia until the 700s, and even after it got a footing in Egypt, it took another few hundred years for Egypt to become an "Islamic" nation, so I don't really see how this "treaty" thing works.

Really?

The Christian Nubian kingdoms, which survived for many centuries, achieved their peak of prosperity and military power in the ninth and tenth centuries. However, Muslim Arab invaders, who in 640 had conquered Egypt, posed a threat to the Christian Nubian kingdoms. Most historians believe that Arab pressure forced Nobatia and Muqurra to merge into the kingdom of Dunqulah sometime before 700

www.country-studies.com/sudan/christian-nubia.html

I know I was'nt seeing things. That is exactly what went on.

[KLI]

Kame said:

I was doing research on Nubia. I recall a "baqt" treaty between muslim egypt and christian nubia in the 600's A.D., Where the latter exchanged slaves and other goods in an uneven "peace" pact to the muslims, 360 black slaves every year for over 600 years.

Also, I noticed muslim slavery had a certain bias in terms of black africans in those times. Peoples genitals would be cut off. Millions of black africans were shipped the muslim world to serve as concubines, slave-soldiers, eunuch-guards, and human pack animals. They targeted black-africans more so than any other group. While it is true that they enslaved everyone they could generally get their hands on, they reserved a special place for blacks. It is estimated that over 10 million black slaves were exported. This went on for over 1000 years. In fact it was'nt banned in saudi arabia till the 1960's and it still exists in sudan and mauritania. To do that to so many people is horrible, where is karma? Where is cause and effect?

At first I laughed when bush said he was invading iraq, it was hilarious, there was no reason to. Not to say that he did it for the "black folks" or anything, but in a sense, it's sorta like cosmic justice being played out without his knowing of it. It's funny how history makes total swictch-arounds like that. The muslim-arabs used to have the strongest armies in the world and the most scientific acheivements of the time. Now the middle east is relatively poor compared to the western world, has weak armies, etc. The U.S. army also consists of large numbers of black men and women.

But hey, this is just something I was thinking about. No offense to any muslims or middle-easterners on this board.

what kind of sick logic is that? So all those Iraqi civilians who were killed in the war died to balance out some kind of cosmic karma because their supposed ancestors enslaved and hacked off negro genitals?

Kame would you like it if I said that in the near future you will die a miserable death because one of your ancestors was an evil Congo chieftain who used to cannibalize people and eat whole villages raw...another form of cosmic justice eh?

[Hallam]

That's pretty lame. Modern Iraqis had nothing to do with crimes perpetrated long ago. Are you happy that they are invaded just out of spite for Muslims? Or Arabs maybe?

Do you have the same hate for a Christian nation such as the modern US when it was far worse in slave trafficing and racism than any Muslim country ever was? Do you wish for teh US to be invaded by a foreign power for its past crimes?

[alexandrian]

Yeah, you're right, it did happen in the 640s when Amr's troops conquered Egypt. I'm pretty sure that Egypt's population remained steadily Christian and Greek-Speaking until the 900s or 1000s though, since there was some artifact from that time period written in Arabic, Greek, and Coptic, showing that all three languages were simultaneously in use. However, you're right, since Egypt was under the control of Muslim rulers, it was what would be considered a Muslim state and so I see what you're getting at. To answer the original question, I'm not into karma, and what's happeneing to the Iraqis today isn't mass slavery, though it is also tragic. So in that regard I don't think its justice serving itself out. If the world was a just place where things get evened out at the end, Saudi Arabia would be under occupation instead of Iraq and most people in the world would have a place to sleep and three meals a day to eat.

[Soomaal]

Kame said:

I was doing research on Nubia. I recall a "baqt" treaty between muslim egypt and christian nubia in the 600's A.D., Where the latter exchanged slaves and other goods in an uneven "peace" pact to the muslims, 360 black slaves every year for over 600 years.

Also, I noticed muslim slavery had a certain bias in terms of black africans in those times. Peoples genitals would be cut off. Millions of black africans were shipped the muslim world to serve as concubines, slave-soldiers, eunuch-guards, and human pack animals. They targeted black-africans more so than any other group. While it is true that they enslaved everyone they could generally get their hands on, they reserved a special place for blacks. It is estimated that over 10 million black slaves were exported. This went on for over 1000 years. In fact it was'nt banned in saudi arabia till the 1960's and it still exists in sudan and mauritania. To do that to so many people is horrible, where is karma? Where is cause and effect?

At first I laughed when bush said he was invading iraq, it was hilarious, there was no reason to. Not to say that he did it for the "black folks" or anything, but in a sense, it's sorta like cosmic justice being played out without his knowing of it. It's funny how history makes total swictch-arounds like that. The muslim-arabs used to have the strongest armies in the world and the most scientific acheivements of the time. Now the middle east is relatively poor compared to the western world, has weak armies, etc. The U.S. army also consists of large numbers of black men and women.

But hey, this is just something I was thinking about. No offense to any muslims or middle-easterners on this board.

Yeah arabs targeted black Africans and making them slaves, just look at Somalia.

Seriously I hate it when people blame slavery on Arabs(Muslim) and Whites, get over it Black Africans sold themselves.

The people of Iraq are miskeen, and you making fun of their situation just shows how messed you are. By the way why do you even care about what happened to Nubians some time ago. Why don't you care about the millions of slaves who were sold for plastic beeds by greedy kings when the European(Christians) bought them.

[KLI]

Xirsi said:

Yeah arabs targeted black Africans and making them slaves, just look at Somalia.

Seriously I hate it when people blame slavery on Arabs(Muslim) and Whites, get over it Black Africans sold themselves.

Xirsi, yes and no...Africans were responsible just as anybody. But the Arabs were much more brutal when it came to capturing slaves than any European and did commit the worst and sickest atrocities against them.

The only reason Somalis were never enslaved is because we are a warlike people just like the Pashtuns of Afghanistan or the Sioux/Cherokee of America. Faaar different from some docile bantu african or berber subsistence farmer

[Soomaal]

Mujahid said:

Xirsi, yes and no...Africans were responsible just as anybody. But the Arabs were much more brutal when it came to capturing slaves than any European and did commit the worst and sickest atrocities against them.

The only reason Somalis were never enslaved is because we are a warlike people just like the Pashtuns of Afghanistan or the Sioux/Cherokee of America. Faaar different from some docile bantu african or berber subsistence farmer

Whats the difference if an Arab/White/Black salves you, but I know the daga cas had some sick tendencies back in the day.

[Kame]

Seriously I hate it when people blame slavery on Arabs(Muslim) and Whites, get over it Black Africans sold themselves.

Umm in a sense yeah, but it ws'nt based upon race of bias. though it's bad, they saw it as a business, they were gaining something for it (yes its bad). Even in african societies, slaves were treated MUCH better. They shared company and ate with their masters and could earn their freedom back. It ws more like indentured servitude. Nothing like European or muslim-arab slavery. They were brutal, and they enslaved them on the basis of race and religion.

[Soomaal]

Kame said:

Umm in a sense yeah, but it ws'nt based upon race of bias. though it's bad, they saw it as a business, they were gaining something for it (yes its bad). Even in african societies, slaves were treated MUCH better. They shared company and ate with their masters and could earn their freedom back. It ws more like indentured servitude. Nothing like European or muslim-arab slavery. They were brutal, and they enslaved them on the basis of race and religion.

Black Africans sold Black Africans, greedy kings took advantage and sold black Africans. The Europeans/Arabs slavery was much worse because they had no connection to the Black slaves,Black African slave masters knew their slaves were captured people from war and they treated them more humanely because they had some type of connection.

It still doesn't explain why you made such a silly post.

[KLI]

Xirsi said:

Whats the difference if an Arab/White/Black salves you, but I know the daga cas had some sick tendencies back in the day.

Kame explained the difference between indentured slave and a captured slave. Arabs used to raze whole villages, killed the women and made eunuchs of the men. Also, alot of people do not know (I sure didnt until very recently) that the arabs were the most brutal enslavers ever. Also there is a ''conspiracy of silence'' among muslims regarding slavery which is completley wrong, yet no historian talks about it and some even try to justify it with silly excuses. The worst thing I hate is hypocracy, the west are addressing their shame, Muslims should too. Look at what our so called muslim hero philosopher Ibn Khaldun says about negroes " “The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their proximity to the animal stage.”<br>
I consider Ibn Khaldun and his like a sonnofabitch...if I said he is so in Saudi Arabia, they'd probably behead me

[Soomaal]

Mujahid said:

Kame explained the difference between indentured slave and a captured slave. Arabs used to raze whole villages, killed the women and made eunuchs of the men. Also, alot of people do not know (I sure didnt until very recently) that the arabs were the most brutal enslavers ever. Also there is a ''conspiracy of silence'' among muslims regarding slavery which is completley wrong, yet no historian talks about it and some even try to justify it with silly excuses. The worst thing I hate is hypocracy, the west are addressing their shame, Muslims should too. Look at what our so called muslim hero philosopher Ibn Khaldun says about negroes " “The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their proximity to the animal stage.”<br>
I consider Ibn Khaldun and his like a sonnofabitch...if I said he is so in Saudi Arabia, they'd probably behead me

I agree people should adress Arab slavery just like they should European slavery.

I would never want to live in Saudi Arabia either, dul Somaaliyeed ba daama.

Read the end of what I said at the end, daga cas khaniisnamo waa lugu yaqaanay. Don't tell me you don't understand what I wrote.

[KLI]

Xirsi said:

I agree people should adress Arab slavery just like they should European slavery.

I would never want to live in Saudi Arabia either, dul Somaaliyeed ba daama.

Read the end of what I said at the end, daga cas khaniisnamo waa lugu yaqaanay. Don't tell me you don't understand what I wrote.

;D alot are still khaniis

[Soomaal]

Mujahid said:

;D alot are still khaniis

LMAO