Iraq invasion= cosmic justice?

[Kame]

It still doesn't explain why you made such a silly post.

I made the post because, it just seemed to me as if history had made another switch-around. Where the traditional power group becomes the exploited group.

I observed that with Iraq. So I saw it as a sort of cosmic justice, seeing as their ancestors and others in the middle-east killed, raped, tortured and enslaved millions of innocent people, in the most inhumane manner observed in recent history. Nothing comparable did'nt happen untill hte europeans slave trade, and that has long since been abolished, where in some of the muslim world it still continues.

[alexandrian]

Kame said:

in some of the muslim world it still continues.

Only in the black parts.

[Berter]

Mujahid said:

The only reason Somalis were never enslaved is because we are a warlike people just like the Pashtuns of Afghanistan or the Sioux/Cherokee of America. Faaar different from some docile bantu african or berber subsistence farmer

Dream on!

[Berter]

Mujahid said:

Look at what our so called muslim hero philosopher Ibn Khaldun says about negroes " “The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their proximity to the animal stage.”

Great saying, I should probably put it in my signature.What do you think !? ;D

I consider Ibn Khaldun and his like a sonnofabitch...if I said he is so in Saudi Arabia, they'd probably behead me

No, Ibn Khaldoun was a tunisian arabo-berber.

[Berter]

Mujahid, here is your man...
Ibn Khaldoun

He has that pan-arabian look typical for arabs before they get racially impacted by their black slaves.

[Kame]

Only in the black parts

Yeah, the so called "arabs" of sudan still practice slavery, (they are black as hell). totallly brainwashed. In mauritania it is a similar situation, but mostly mixed-race and arabs who practice it.

In other parts of black africa, (except for the areas of lawlessness and thuggery) slavery is not openly practiced on other blacks.

[Kame]

Berter said:

Mujahid, here is your man...
Ibn Khaldoun

He has that pan-arabian look typical for arabs before they get racially impacted by their black slaves.

Berter? Have a nice cup of STFU.

[Berter]

Whats STFU!?

[amksa]

Mujahid said:

Xirsi, yes and no...Africans were responsible just as anybody. But the Arabs were much more brutal when it came to capturing slaves than any European and did commit the worst and sickest atrocities against them.

The only reason Somalis were never enslaved is because we are a warlike people just like the Pashtuns of Afghanistan or the Sioux/Cherokee of America. Faaar different from some docile bantu african or berber subsistence farmer

You seem confuse, Mujahid : one could say anything about Berbers/Ancient Lybians/Maghrebians, but not that they were enslaved by anyone.

You speak about "warlike people", hence if someone fit well with this label, it must be Berbers, the ultimate warlike people. They never found the time to be in peace. I'm not boasting : even the poorest documented website will tell you how Berbers defeated all invaders... to be frank, i would rather prefer though, that Berbers would never have to face any invasion, even if History prove how they succeed to stay free.

I don't know how many invaders the Somalis actually defeated (and how powerful these invaders were), but i can tell you that the list of the Berber's victims is impressive.
When dealing with Berber's ennemies, we're talking about great civilisations not small tribes trying to steal skinny sheeps !

Don't forget that Maghreb (until French colonisation, French who faced an incredible hostility from rebellious Berber tribes), and most generally North africa, wasn't Disneyland : Berbers showed systematically hostility toward invaders.
Even the Barbarian Vandals (who sacked Rome) didn't even try to run into conflict with them ! During the reign of Genseric, Berbers and Vandales were involved together in piracy activities.
However, when Genseric died, Vandales had to face Berbers hostility and their constant attacks. Berbers raised independent kingdoms in mountainous and desert areas and threatened towns.
The same with the others : Romans, Carthaginians (although this case is a peculiar one), etc.

Unfortunately, "Berberland ;D" was an appealing region for invaders, it enhances the probability to be attacked.

[KLI]

Berter said:

Great saying, I should probably put it in my signature.What do you think !? ;D



No, Ibn Khaldoun was a tunisian arabo-berber.

Lol use it, I dont care...if thats something you feel proud of by all means. All I know is my heritage is a noble one where my people have never been enslaved like the bantus, nor have our women been concubines like the Ethiopians.

Berbers never accepted slavery? I thought even your biggest national hero, Tariq ibn Ziyad was a converted slave?

Amksa, Ok, you are correct, accept my apology I just did not like the haughty ways of Berter, so I was answering to him. Im sorry that I used berbers as a hostage, but this guy (Berter) is too full of himself, im just showing that theres a difference between pride and arrogance

[Igu]

Mujahid said:

Berbers never accepted slavery? I thought even your biggest national hero, Tariq ibn Ziyad was a converted slave?

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TARIQ was a betrayer not a slave, I called him slave because it suits all muslim people who are not arabs, especially black people.

Don't forget that my ancestors killed Oqba Ibn nafi (for christians: it's like you kill one of jesus' apostles), and we are very proud of it, two of my cousins bear the name of the killer of Oqba: Koceila.

[fassi]

Mujahid said:

Kame explained the difference between indentured slave and a captured slave. Arabs used to raze whole villages, killed the women and made eunuchs of the men. Also, alot of people do not know (I sure didnt until very recently) that the arabs were the most brutal enslavers ever

. Also there is a ''conspiracy of silence'' among muslims regarding slavery which is completley wrong, yet no historian talks about it and some even try to justify it with silly excuses. The worst thing I hate is hypocracy, the west are addressing their shame, Muslims should too. Look at what our so called muslim hero philosopher Ibn Khaldun says about negroes " “The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their proximity to the animal stage.”<br>
I consider Ibn Khaldun and his like a sonnofabitch...if I said he is so in Saudi Arabia, they'd probably behead me

Mujahid, could you give what is your proofs (with references) about the massacre of black people by Arabs? The same thing about what says Ibn Khaldoun !!. Don't believe envious people..

I know that the worst massacre and unfairness against slaves were in USA (and now, they continue their sad and injuste works against muslims, but Muslims are broken their tooths and legs in Iraq and Afganistan like they have done in somalia. Just look at the desintegration of the coalission forces in Irak now, very soon the invaders will leave with shameful). Even American, England and Italian people are against this war.

When you are real muslim, you can't be a racist or slaves killers. We are not a KKK people.