What Do Muslims Believe about Jesus?

[fassi]

Dear friends ;

As my english language is not fluently and strong to write easily (I'm rather fluently in french and do lot of effort to write in english) , I prefer to communicate to you this following text which is taken from www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch3-10.htm]. In the same book, there are some hyperlink related to Jesus in Coran. For interested people, I hope for them good lectures.

Muslims respect and revere Jesus (peace be upon him). They consider him one of the greatest of God’s messengers to mankind. The Quran confirms his virgin birth, and a chapter of the Quran is entitled ‘Maryam’ (Mary). The Quran describes the birth of Jesus as follows :

(Remember) when the angels said, “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be). God creates what He wills. If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Quran, 3:45-47)


Jesus was born miraculously by the command of God, the same command that had brought Adam into being with neither a father nor a mother. God has said:

The case of Jesus with God is like the case of Adam. He created him from dust, and then He said to him, “Be!” and he came into being. (Quran, 3:59)

During his prophetic mission, Jesus performed many miracles. God tells us that Jesus said :

“I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I make for you the shape of a bird out of clay, I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s permission. I heal the blind from birth and the leper. And I bring the dead to life by God’s permission. And I tell you what you eat and what you store in your houses....”(Quran, 3:49)

Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the plan of Jesus’ enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. And the likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus’ enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus. God has said :

...They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man).(Quran, 4:157)

Neither Muhammad nor Jesus came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in one God, brought by earlier prophets, but rather to confirm and renew it.

[Anja]

it would be nice if everyone could realize the common ties between religions.

[murphee]

Yes, I am aware of Islam's respect for Jesus. This thread also reminds me of the Baha'i Faith which teaches the validity of various religions.

[Igu]

murphee said:

Yes, I am aware of Islam's respect for Jesus. This thread also reminds me of the Baha'i Faith which teaches the validity of various religions.

there is no validity of various religions in Islam: Judaism is false, christianism is false, jesus was a muslim. the text is just aesthetically presented.

[Tautamo]

fassi, preach somewhere else no one cares.

oh why dont you preach where islam sprang off of?

[molika]

I don't believe Muslims and Christians believe in the same God, as Christians and Jews do.

The biggest irreconcilable difference regarding Jesus in the Muslim and Christian faiths is that Muslims do not believe in the deity of Christ.
The deity of Christ is the basic precept upon which Christianity is based.

[Berter]

molika said:

I don't believe Muslims and Christians believe in the same God, as Christians and Jews do.

The biggest irreconcilable difference regarding Jesus in the Muslim and Christian faiths is that Muslims do not believe in the deity of Christ.
The deity of Christ is the basic precept upon which Christianity is based.

Do some EXTENSIVE reading on the Qumran manuscripts and you'll know who exactely was Jesus. Christianism is only/and simply an EARTHLY judaîc sect that encountred 'great' succes.

[zain]

molika said:

I don't believe Muslims and Christians believe in the same God, as Christians and Jews do.

I wish you accept my disagreement with you ,and no hurt feeling ,I see it the opposite ,jews and Moslems believe in the same God , ,Moslem’s God is the one perfect God ,the God of Abraham (Moslems mention the name of Abraham almost five times a day in their prayers )Christians believe different concept of God ,the God of trinity ,were there are three eternal persons, not one person,while God of Abraham is one had no mother or son ,of cores we jews and Moslems understand that obvious thing ,but unfortunately it is so difficult for Christians , because this is how they brought up from their childhood .
regarding jews
the Quran is flexible to different interpretation ,We might consider jews as God’s chosen people as the Quran said ,it all depend in the nations ,or/and individuals who interpret the Quran ,i am sure Moslems fundamentalist ,will elevate the jews to a chosen nation if they happened to have a collations with them in the near future.

[fassi]

Igu said:

there is no validity of various religions in Islam: Judaism is false, christianism is false, jesus was a muslim. the text is just aesthetically presented.

In fact, Judaism and Christianism were not false when Allah has sent the prophets Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them) "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit " (Coran 2, 87)

The true believers of these Abrahamic religions are those who follow the original prescriptions of the Torah and the Bible as initially revealed by Allah and explained by these prophets to the Jews, before their alteration by priests and rabbis :"And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book(Jews and Christians), to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made! " (Coran 3, 187).

Not only they falsified their books, wandering, unfortunatly, many disciples from the uniqueness of God, but they denied the last messenger of Allah, the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) : "And when there came to them an apostle from Allah, confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know! "(Coran 2, 101).

Allah sent the prophet Mohamed with the holy book Coran in order to guide all the people to the right way and to correct this confusions and deviations : "O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary). There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book. Wherewith Allah guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety, and leadeth them out of darkness, by His will, unto the light,- guideth them to a path that is straight (Coran 5, 15-16)"

Yes , all prophets were originally Muslims. Islam means simply the obedience and submission to Allah (to be submitted to god or Allah = to be muslim ) : "Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam). " (Coran 2, 136).

[molika]

Berter, this is what the Qu’ran says about Jesus: "Behold! The angel said ‘O Mary! Allah giveth you Glad Tidings of a word from Him. His name will be (Christ Jesus) the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah’" (Surah 3:45). In Surah 19:19, the angel said to Mary, "I am only a messenger of thy Lord to announce to you a gift of a holy son." Surah 3:55 says, "Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself." The difference lies with the fact that in Christianity, or Messianic Judaism of which I am, believes that Jesus was God, not just a prophet, and he died to cleanse the sins of humanity and give us eternal life with our Father in heaven. We believe man is fallen and is born of sin, look at the Ten Commandments and see how far we have fallen. Jesus strengthens the commandments by saying if we have hate in our hearts for our brothers that this the same as murder in God’s eyes. This is why we need Jesus.

Zain, no offense taken. The Trinity is not a belief in three gods. Christians, Jews and Muslims are monotheistic and believe that God is one. In Christianity and for the Messianic Jews, both in His work in accomplishing salvation through the person of Jesus Christ and through biblical study it has become clear that His oneness in fact comprises three persons —Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit. Mary is not part of the Godhead. The notion of God, who is three-in-one, is part of both the mystery and greatness of God. God is in essence one while in persons three. This truth helps us understand God as truly personal and having the capacity to relate to other persons. Look at the creation story (Gen 1:26) God says ‘Let us make man in our image”. In your opinion, who is the ‘us’ and ‘our’?

[fassi]

Tautamo said:

fassi, preach somewhere else no one cares.

oh why dont you preach where islam sprang off of?

One important obligation for every Muslim who knows the principles of Islamic faith, especially the knowledgeable, "the preachers or Oulemas" of Islam, is to diffuse the Right Message to everyone, everywhere in the world including in Arabic land whether they will be heard and/or believed or not:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things" (Coran 2, 253)


Tautamo, your are now warned. The message of Islam is your last chance so be careful and assume your responsibility :

"O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary). There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book. Wherewith Allah guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety, and leadeth them out of darkness, by His will, unto the light,- guideth them to a path that is straight" (Coran 5, 15-16)

[Igu]

zain said:

I wish you accept my disagreement with you ,and no hurt feeling ,I see it the opposite ,jews and Moslems believe in the same God , ,Moslem’s God is the one perfect God ,the God of Abraham (Moslems mention the name of Abraham almost five times a day in their prayers )Christians believe different concept of God ,the God of trinity ,were there are three eternal persons, not one person,while God of Abraham is one had no mother or son ,of cores we jews and Moslems understand that obvious thing ,but unfortunately it is so difficult for Christians , because this is how they brought up from their childhood .
regarding jews
the Quran is flexible to different interpretation ,We might consider jews as God’s chosen people as the Quran said ,it all depend in the nations ,or/and individuals who interpret the Quran ,i am sure Moslems fundamentalist ,will elevate the jews to a chosen nation if they happened to have a collations with them in the near future.

I have exactly the same view as you, christianism is too gay and paganist to be abrahimic, if jesus came after mohamed he would have had a much worse doom; try to claim you are God when muslims are present!

[Tautamo]

fassi said:

One important obligation for every Muslim who knows the principles of Islamic faith, especially the knowledgeable, "the preachers or Oulemas" of Islam, is to diffuse the Right Message to everyone, everywhere in the world including in Arabic land whether they will be heard and/or believed or not:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things" (Coran 2, 253)


Tautamo, your are now warned. The message of Islam is your last chance so be careful and assume your responsibility :

"O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary). There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book. Wherewith Allah guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety, and leadeth them out of darkness, by His will, unto the light,- guideth them to a path that is straight" (Coran 5, 15-16)

Stop preaching to me. why is islam oppressive towards women? i think you need to do some rethinking and expose the hypocrisy WITHIN your own religion? and the countries which FORCE it upon its people while the goofy towelheaded ROYAL RICH families do as they please.time to wake up!

you quote the koran and ill quote smashing pumkins

despite all my rage, i'm still just a rat in the cage

[fassi]

Tautamo said:

Stop preaching to me. why is islam oppressive towards women? i think you need to do some rethinking and expose the hypocrisy WITHIN your own religion? and the countries which FORCE it upon its people while the goofy towelheaded ROYAL RICH families do as they please.time to wake up!

you quote the koran and ill quote smashing pumkins

despite all my rage, i'm still just a rat in the cage

I will not stop to preach you and preach others . " Say : this is my way : I call on Allah with sure knowledge , I and whosoever followeth me Glory be to Allah! and I am not of the idolaters " (Coran 12, 108)


My duty is to inform and communicate the eternal message of Islam to the people who don't know it or those who have received wrong information from many bad and lie sources about the faith, the equity and the truth of Islam. For example, you have mentioned the subject of women in Arab and Islamic countries and you have prejudge that Islamic religion has disadvantage the Women status.

A great and wrong idea that many western people think or made is the amalgam between Islamic faith and law and their application in the facts. Not all Muslims represent Islam. In fact, their are some Muslims who are in the wrong way and far from the right prescriptions of Islam. The Hypocrisy is not in the Islam religion but in the application of some Islam laws by some arab and Muslim countries. I agree with you that influent people especially some Rich Families gives a bad illustration to Islam concerning Women rights (and other topics) and we preach also those people, man and women, to come back from their deviations.

Unfortunately for you Tautamo, the situation of Women in Western countries is worst because Women is considered like an object. I have lived and visited many western countries and I have observed thé women's trade (with many colours) under the pretext of total liberty…<br>
This is another big subject but if you know the rights that has been given to of women in Islam, you will completely change your bad prejudge !

Anyway, It's a pleasure for me to exchange ideas with you. I hope for you a good understanding for Islam and I really want for you and for other wandering people to be in the right way, because it's our last chance and our life is too short. So, go to the right way of Islam.

[fassi]

molika said:

Berter, this is what the Qu’ran says about Jesus: "Behold! The angel said ‘O Mary! Allah giveth you Glad Tidings of a word from Him. His name will be (Christ Jesus) the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah’" (Surah 3:45). In Surah 19:19, the angel said to Mary, "I am only a messenger of thy Lord to announce to you a gift of a holy son." Surah 3:55 says, "Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself." The difference lies with the fact that in Christianity, or Messianic Judaism of which I am, believes that Jesus was God, not just a prophet, and he died to cleanse the sins of humanity and give us eternal life with our Father in heaven. We believe man is fallen and is born of sin, look at the Ten Commandments and see how far we have fallen. Jesus strengthens the commandments by saying if we have hate in our hearts for our brothers that this the same as murder in God’s eyes. This is why we need Jesus.

Zain, no offense taken. The Trinity is not a belief in three gods. Christians, Jews and Muslims are monotheistic and believe that God is one. In Christianity and for the Messianic Jews, both in His work in accomplishing salvation through the person of Jesus Christ and through biblical study it has become clear that His oneness in fact comprises three persons —Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit. Mary is not part of the Godhead. The notion of God, who is three-in-one, is part of both the mystery and greatness of God. God is in essence one while in persons three. This truth helps us understand God as truly personal and having the capacity to relate to other persons. Look at the creation story (Gen 1:26) God says ‘Let us make man in our image”. In your opinion, who is the ‘us’ and ‘our’?

Dear Molika ;

Excuse me to inform you that your interpretation of Trinity is malicious but completely Wrong !. First, you gave us the proof from the holy book Coran about the veneration of the prophet Jesus and her mother Mary (peace be upon them) and you're right. But if you justify this veneration from CORAN, that means that you believe in some of Coran verse's and you disbelieve in other verse's. Listen what Allah said about those category of people : "Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do (Coran 2, 83)

The Coran is a whole book and all it's verse's are linked with any contradiction. If you believe in Allah (or God) as unique God of all the universe, then, naturally, you will believe in all his revealed books and in all his messengers including Mohamed (peace be upon him), because Allah could not tell lies or contradictions in his messages to human throughout his messengers. Allah has rigorously condemned the trinity of Jesus :

["O Mankind! The Messenger hath come to you in truth from Allah. believe in him: It is best for you. But if ye reject Faith, to Allah belong all things in the heavens and on earth: And Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah.: those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer). But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: But those who are disdainful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous penalty; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or help them. O mankind! verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: For We have sent unto you a light (that is) manifest. Then those who believe in Allah, and hold fast to Him,- soon will He admit them to mercy and grace from Himself, and guide them to Himself by a straight way (Coran 4, 168-171)

The confusion of Messiah Jews and christianise about Jesus' believe is resolved and very clear in Coran (for more information, look at http://www.islam-guide.com). If you believe that God had power over all things, then your confusion will disappears :

1- He is the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things) (Coran 42, 11)

2- Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light: Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things (Coran 24, 35)


So, the trinity concept is categorically rejected and logically impossible.

Dear Molika, read carefully the Coran verse's and it's interpretation in this topic in the web site aforementioned and I'm sure that if you have a sincere faith in Allah or God, he will guide you to his way, because anyway you believe on his uniqueness and in all prophet's (Including Mohamed I suppose). Allah sent us the last message which correct all deviations of people of the Book (Jews and Christians) and tell us the truth. Believe me, you will not regret it !