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Post by molika on Mar 7, 2005 14:51:05 GMT -5
Dear Fassi, I can see that you faith is strong and you honestly are making an appeal in what you believe to be the truth. I applaud you for that because you are seeking God and in that case eventually I believe you will find Him. I do not believe the Koran specifically because it contradicts the bible, not in reverse. The Trinity is the major theme in the bible and this is fact, it all depends whether one chooses to see it. God gives us a choice. We can choose Him, we can choose His Son, Christ, and we thereby choose eternal salvation. It is guaranteed. It is finished. Where is your guarantee Fassi? If you work very hard to please allah will he guarantee your salvation? When is enough good works enough? How long does it take? 2 months? 10 years? A lifetime? You have the freedom to believe as you choose, but I choose eternal life, guaranteed! Baruch haba b'shem Adonai.  |
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Post by fassi on Mar 14, 2005 13:23:36 GMT -5
Dear Fassi, I can see that you faith is strong and you honestly are making an appeal in what you believe to be the truth. I applaud you for that because you are seeking God and in that case eventually I believe you will find Him. I do not believe the Koran specifically because it contradicts the bible, not in reverse. The Trinity is the major theme in the bible and this is fact, it all depends whether one chooses to see it. God gives us a choice. We can choose Him, we can choose His Son, Christ, and we thereby choose eternal salvation. It is guaranteed. It is finished. Where is your guarantee Fassi? If you work very hard to please allah will he guarantee your salvation? When is enough good works enough? How long does it take? 2 months? 10 years? A lifetime? You have the freedom to believe as you choose, but I choose eternal life, guaranteed! Baruch haba b'shem Adonai. ------ Dear Molika ; Excuse me I'm late to answer you, I was in mission. Please read carrefully the Coran verses in bold. First, you have some trouble in comparing Bible and Coran. There are many versions of bibles with different interpretations. For me, it is obvious. I don't believe the contents of bibles which are in contradiction with Coran truth and prescriptions, especially the Trinity aspect (of course, there are many common truth between Allah books and we believe and practice it like charity, sincerity, prayers, etc). The thing that you have to understand is that GOD OR ALLAH COULD NOT CONTRADICTS ITSELF. We believe in CORAN because Allah has protect his LAST and ETERNAL Book from falsification as some Priest and Rabiies do with holy books Torah and Bible only for money and power : "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
80. And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?"
81. Nay, those who seek gain in evil, and are girt round by their sins,- they are companions of the Fire: Therein shall they abide (For ever). (Coran 2, 77) Even if all human and other creatures are assembled to give only one Surate of the Coran they will not be able. "And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith. But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness "(coran 2, 21)In addition, Coran is exhaustive book witch told us about many truth not included or deformed in other false holy books (like Scientific realities of our universe and our creation, History of other prophets and their people, Laws, prescriptions in relationships, etc) . Dear Molika, ARE YOU AFRAID TO READ this holy book and to contemplate it ? This book is a light for you, me and other. Look for example at thousand of non Muslims who were converted to Islam. Why they decide to do this step if they didn't take pain to read some of it. Excuse me Molika to correct you. Nothing is guaranteed nor assured ever for me or for some pretensious faith, without sincere faith on Allah and doing good things. What you said about the salvation have no sense. We are all responsible of our acts and works. This responsibility is the sense of our creation "(1. Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power;-
2. He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-(Coran 67, 1)
This life is only a test for us. If you believe on uniqueness of god, on all his prophet's, do good works as prescript in the original holy books (before islam) and Coran, then you will be assured (without hypocrisy of course). Other wise, you aren't sure to win. . Of course, Muslims can do bad things (and there are lot unfortunately) but Allah accept the repentance of this wrong people soon afterwards if they are sincere with him : "Allah accept the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will Allah turn in mercy: For Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom (Coran 4, 16)". This is also true for all people. But you can't do what you desire and want to repent just before dying : "Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, "Now have I repented indeed;" nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous(Coran4, 17 ). The guaranty is to come back from evil way to Allah way with sincerity. Do good things as you can and avoid bad things as you can but don't be a pure disbeliever, idolater, hypocrite and so on. Like this things cancel your effort because Allah know well your deep heart and your real aims. Moreover, do not mix idolatry and good thing as many people do from all of the world, especially the trinity or other idolatries like people do in India, China, and some of Muslims (who are mixing their Worshippment to Allah with Worshippment to dead people in indirect or inconscious way). In Islam, there are no links between Allah and his believers. No prophet, no imam in Mosque, no priest in the Church, no rabbi in Synagogue, nobody, nor your money or authority will help you in the judgement day if you were disbeliever or idolater or you make crimes with impunity as you want : "Not your desires (Muslims), nor those of the People of the Book (can prevail): whoever works evil, will be requited accordingly. Nor will he find, besides Allah, any protector or helper.
124. If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.
Coran 3, 121)". Only your faith on Allah and all his books (the original ones and the Coran) and prophets and your righteousness in the way of Allah could allow your salvation. Yes, It can take me 1 year, 10 years, all my life but don't deviate from the big commandments : "If ye (but) eschew the most heinous of the things which ye are forbidden to do, We shall expel out of you all the evil in you, and admit you to a gate of great honour. You only fight your bad soul and fight evil and keep yourself in the way of Allah. Molika, don't be afraid to read the CORAN (especially surat 2 and 3). The surat 2 (thé Cow) is focusing on Jews meanwhile surat 3 (Al Imran) is talking about the Christians. Open your heart and your mind and you will be surprised. You have nothing to loose. I know that it will be difficult for you because you born Christian or Jew with many heavy and wrong ideas and prejudges, especially the trinity aspect, but if you are seeking the truth you will find it with some efforts. Ask yourself a question : If the Torah and bibles (the falsified books) were sufficient for faith and were a light for human, why Allah sent the last prophet Mohamed with the last book. Why the Jews doesn't believe on this prophet, because his not born a Jew or Christian ?. Why Allah tell us about your deviations and transgression with proofs. Molika, don't be among the following people : " And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."
112. Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve (Coran 2, 109)La Ilaha illa Allah Mohamed rassulu Allah |
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Post by Igu on Mar 14, 2005 15:09:25 GMT -5
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Post by molika on Mar 15, 2005 9:22:52 GMT -5
Dear Fassi,
It must be so difficult living life believing that there is no guarantee, no absolutes.
There is a guarantee of salvation. His name is Jesus Christ. I pray that I never become that 'good' that I become arrogant enough to believe I deserve to go to heaven over anyone else. Only God has that power. He has made it accessible to all, and in only one way just to prove to us that salvation does not come by any 'good works' by man. We are not that worthy! I know enough about my God to know that I cannot achieve salvation by myself. My God's standards say that if I have hate in my heart for a brother, that this is murder. Lies, coveting, cheating, these are all disgraceful to our Lord. He cannot even look upon us without Jesus as our mediator. My 'small' sins are just as big as any murderers on death row.
Does allah allow you to decide who goes to heaven? Does he let you believe you are good enough on your own good works to reach heaven? Does he allow you to believe that you are 'better' than someone who realizes at the end of his life that he was truly wrong and he must repent and ask allah for forgiveness? Do you have this power?
I don't, nor do I want it.
My God says the first can be the last, and the last can be first.
Peace be with you brother Fassi. I wish you well on your journey.
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Post by fassi on Mar 17, 2005 10:15:48 GMT -5
In fact, the Kaaba is just a symbol of monotheistic religion Islam. Abraham and his son Ismael have built the Kaaba (the sacred Mosque) foundations: "And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.
128. "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
129. "Our Lord! send amongst them an Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in scripture and wisdom, and sanctify them: For Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise." (Coran 2, )Abraham left this legacy to his sons : And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam."
133. Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship Thy Allah and the Allah of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah. To Him we bow (in Islam)."
134. That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case! When the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him ) come to Medina from Mecca (Al Hijra), his Qibla was At thé begining Jerusalem during 16 or 17 months. This handsome gesture, was to approach the hearts between Muslims, Jews (who were living in Medina) and and the Christians. But the Jews' hearts were and are always like a rock "Thenceforth were your hearts hardened: They became like a rock and even worse in hardness. For among rocks there are some from which rivers gush forth; others there are which when split asunder send forth water; and others which sink for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do"After that, Allah ordered his prophet to change the direction of Qibla : the Masjd al Haram (or sacred Mosque) despite the knowledge of the people of the book : 142. The fools among the people will say: "What hath turned them from the Qibla to which they were used?" Say: To Allah belong both east and West: He guideth whom He will to a Way that is straight
We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do.
145. Even if thou wert to bring to the people of the Book all the Signs (together), they would not follow Thy Qibla; nor art thou going to follow their Qibla; nor indeed will they follow each other's Qibla. If thou after the knowledge hath reached thee, Wert to follow their (vain) desires,-then wert thou Indeed (clearly) in the wrong. (Coran 2 )
May be, you know this realities, but it's good to recall it from time to time. So, the sacred Mosque (or the cubic stone as you named it) is a symbol of monotheistic religion of Islam and its continuity. This religion which came in your land, the Berber land of North Africa, and you rejected it is in fact your real salvation from the eternal hell, Certainly, not the criminal and zionist one-eyed in your avatar: "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good)" (Coran 3, 83).
In fact, I'm not racist towards Arabs or any other people as you are, I have many Berber friends who are very good Muslims. I only dislike your mockery.. |
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Post by Human on Mar 17, 2005 10:25:58 GMT -5
nice debate here
fierce christian and fierce muslim debating their faiths.
i stand reading it.
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Post by fassi on Mar 17, 2005 10:38:26 GMT -5
nice debate here fierce christian and fierce muslim debating their faiths. i stand reading it. Don't be just spectator! We debate for great matter that we are all really concerned : 1. Concerning what are they disputing?
2. Concerning the Great News,
3. About which they cannot agree.
4. Verily, they shall soon (come to) know!
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Post by Igu on Mar 17, 2005 11:09:16 GMT -5
In fact, the Kaaba is just a symbol of monotheistic religion Islam. Abraham and his son Ismael have built the Kaaba (the sacred Mosque) foundations: "And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.
128. "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
129. "Our Lord! send amongst them an Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in scripture and wisdom, and sanctify them: For Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise." (Coran 2, )Abraham left this legacy to his sons : And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam."
133. Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship Thy Allah and the Allah of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah. To Him we bow (in Islam)."
134. That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case! When the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him ) come to Medina from Mecca (Al Hijra), his Qibla was At thé begining Jerusalem during 16 or 17 months. This handsome gesture, was to approach the hearts between Muslims, Jews (who were living in Medina) and and the Christians. But the Jews' hearts were and are always like a rock "Thenceforth were your hearts hardened: They became like a rock and even worse in hardness. For among rocks there are some from which rivers gush forth; others there are which when split asunder send forth water; and others which sink for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do"After that, Allah ordered his prophet to change the direction of Qibla : the Masjd al Haram (or sacred Mosque) despite the knowledge of the people of the book : 142. The fools among the people will say: "What hath turned them from the Qibla to which they were used?" Say: To Allah belong both east and West: He guideth whom He will to a Way that is straight
We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do.
145. Even if thou wert to bring to the people of the Book all the Signs (together), they would not follow Thy Qibla; nor art thou going to follow their Qibla; nor indeed will they follow each other's Qibla. If thou after the knowledge hath reached thee, Wert to follow their (vain) desires,-then wert thou Indeed (clearly) in the wrong. (Coran 2 )
May be, you know this realities, but it's good to recall it from time to time. So, the sacred Mosque (or the cubic stone as you named it) is a symbol of monotheistic religion of Islam and its continuity. This religion which came in your land, the Berber land of North Africa, and you rejected it is in fact your real salvation from the eternal hell, Certainly, not the criminal and zionist one-eyed in your avatar: "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good)" (Coran 3, 83).
In fact, I'm not racist towards Arabs or any other people as you are, I have many Berber friends who are very good Muslims. I only dislike your mockery.. I prefer to live an eternity in hell with the noblest persons of my people: MATOUB, KAHINA, KOCEILA, then with a pedophile like MOHAMED, I will never betray my people, keep praying a cube you look very intelligent.  VIVA ERETZ ISRAEL!!! |
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Post by Igu on Mar 17, 2005 11:31:35 GMT -5
Don't be just spectator! We debate for great matter that we are all really concerned : 1. Concerning what are they disputing?
2. Concerning the Great News,
3. About which they cannot agree.
4. Verily, they shall soon (come to) know!
5. Verily, verily they shall soon (come to) know (Coran 78, 1-5)we should rather discuss about all those ArabWanabees like you who worship stones and cubes! Actually a cube is too complex geometrically (and spiritually!!!) for you, you should start with this:  if you can improve your IQ by kissing and worshipping that stone, you can upgrade to this if by any miracle you imrove your Iq again, you will be upgraded to a higher spiritual level:  |
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Post by fassi on Mar 17, 2005 12:06:57 GMT -5
I prefer to live an eternity in hell with the noblest persons of my people: MATOUB, KAHINA, KOCEILA, then with a pedophile like MOHAMED, I will never betray my people, keep praying a cube you look very intelligent. You are not at the level of intelectual and respectuous discussion. I hope for you to meet your favorite people very soon. VIVA ERETZ ISRAEL!!! |
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Post by fassi on Mar 17, 2005 12:13:05 GMT -5
I prefer to live an eternity in hell with the noblest persons of my people: MATOUB, KAHINA, KOCEILA, then with a pedophile like MOHAMED, I will never betray my people, keep praying a cube you look very intelligent. VIVA ERETZ ISRAEL!!! You are not at the level of intelectual and respectuous discussion. I hope for you to meet your favorite people very soon. |
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Post by Igu on Mar 17, 2005 13:09:47 GMT -5
You are not at the level of intelectual and respectuous discussion. I hope for you to meet your favorite people very soon. Hey 3abid! you think the bullshit you write is "intellectual"? that's mervellous! remember that you are just a looser who has no knowledge nor a social life, you fill your time by religion so that you don't commit suicide, it makes you forget that you are a 3abid arab wanabe, a waste of spermatozoids. Go clean your arse 3 times with 3 different stones, choose which smells worst, and then: |
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Post by fassi on Mar 18, 2005 13:03:45 GMT -5
Hey 3abid! you think the bullshit you write is "intellectual"? that's mervellous! remember that you are just a looser who has no knowledge nor a social life, you fill your time by religion so that you don't commit suicide, it makes you forget that you are a 3abid arab wanabe, a waste of spermatozoids. Go clean your arse 3 times with 3 different stones, choose which smells worst, and then: Again, you confirm me that you are not at the level. I wonder why the so called Moderators did allow you to continue your blasphemes and sad words ? I thought that it's a respectful Forum. A arab example say :" the Dog is barking and the caravan is moving". You feel good when you have regurgitate your black hate and rage. Kill yourself with your rage. Nowbody will mourn you. You just profit the fact you are behind the Internet.. You can't tell your vomit face to me or face to more than 1,5 billion Muslims. Try if you are proud "Qbaili"…<br> The Islam has grew and will continue growing despite evils mockery and disbeliveers blasphemes as many of your type like to regurgitate. Many evils and idolators have tried to opposite to this light during more than 1400 years, but they loosed their dignity and they loose their soul in this life and in the Day after : Fain would they extinguish Allah.s light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). (Coran 9, 32)You know why ? Simply because this religion is the truth and Allah has protected his prophet and will protect this religion until the end of the life. 33. It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it). (Coran 9, 33) Just look the history. Yet, TARIK Ibn ZIAD, The MOWAHIDINES dynasty, the MURABITIN dynasty and many other Berber Men like you have contributed to the glory of Islam. I can really imagine their reactions when hearing or reading your sad blasphemes to the last Prophet !!! you can't sleep if you imagine it Finally, I hope for you a real repent. The way of repent is still open if you want to be sincere. Otherwise, you will be responsible of your words and blasphemes and surely the punishment of Allah will be terrible. Just wait and see your very soon ignominy. : Now I do call to witness the Lord of all points in the East and the West that We can certainly-
41. Substitute for them better (men) than they; And We are not to be defeated (in Our Plan).
42. So leave them to plunge in vain talk and play about, until they encounter that Day of theirs which they have been promised!-
43. The Day whereon they will issue from their sepulchres in sudden haste as if they were rushing to a goal-post (fixed for them),-
44. Their eyes lowered in dejection,- ignominy covering them (all over)! such is the Day the which they are promised! (CORAN 70)
How much will you still alife: 1 day, 1 year or 40 years ? the time is going up ..and Qusaila and Kahina that you love (dead 1400 years ago) are waiting for you ... keep away yourself from this discussion. This will be my last answer to you. |
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Post by Igu on Mar 19, 2005 13:14:35 GMT -5
I wonder why the so called Moderators did allow you to continue your blasphemes and sad words ? I thought that it's a respectful Forum. Blasphemy is an opinion, and this forum is a free-speach one, I'm more Blasphemous in reality (I usually use vulgarity), if you don't like this situation, leave his forum, and start a Jihad against Dodona, 3abid. Wow! You know every aspect of the arab culture, that's what is expected by a 3abid! good job slave  nkini Dhaqvayli maci dhaghioul!!! doing so is not courage, this is idiocy and I'm not an Idiot, try to come to my village in Kabylie and try to vomit the venom of your Religion, you'd be an idiot and finish either gay or dead. understood Akli? My people the kabyles are leaving the beliefs of your masters "Afwadjan", look to the newspapers... Even Kabyle muslims are blasphemous... And before speaking Bullshit, know that muslims are growing in number because they procreate like parasites not because they convert people, remember Spain, remember Eastern europe, and you will discover that Muslims have the highest number of Murtads!!! Please do not quote that pornographic book, every time I read it I get dumber. these are the betrayers of my people, they are 3abid like you, white 3abids. 3abid, keep worshipping the stone, your end is near. |
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Post by fassi on Mar 19, 2005 14:08:15 GMT -5
Blasphemy is an opinion, and this forum is a free-speach one, I'm more Blasphemous in reality (I usually use vulgarity), if you don't like this situation, leave his forum, and start a Jihad against Dodona, 3abid. Wow! You know every aspect of the arab culture, that's what is expected by a 3abid! good job slave nkini Dhaqvayli maci dhaghioul!!! doing so is not courage, this is idiocy and I'm not an Idiot, try to come to my village in Kabylie and try to vomit the venom of your Religion, you'd be an idiot and finish either gay or dead. understood Akli? My people the kabyles are leaving the beliefs of your masters "Afwadjan", look to the newspapers... Even Kabyle muslims are blasphemous... And before speaking Bullshit, know that muslims are growing in number because they procreate like parasites not because they convert people, remember Spain, remember Eastern europe, and you will discover that Muslims have the highest number of Murtads!!! Please do not quote that pornographic book, every time I read it I get dumber. these are the betrayers of my people, they are 3abid like you, white 3abids. 3abid, keep worshipping the stone, your end is near. Give me your exact adress, phone in Algeria if you are a men (I don't think so, your are less than ...nothing). Don't be behind the Internet like a rat. If this forum let you talking about blasphemes and smell foul ignoble words , then the moderators are like you (if they agree what you have regurgitated about the noble prophet of Allah). I'm kepping worshipping Allah and your are kipping worshipping Qusaila. Tarik Ibn Ziad and Moussa Ibn Nousair have fight your disbilievers people including Qusaila and Kahina and defeat them (you can't change the history ..that's why you are in rage). By their Jihad, Many of berber people were guided to the Islam, winning their life here and in the dayafter, meanwhile others have hidden their hypocrisy like you. Not only you are nothing but you are fallacious. Where are those Berber muslims who are blasphemous as you told, except if they are hypocrits. I know many friends berber people who are not a pratising muslims but they respect Islam and Muslims. You are just apoor racist.. The islam is comming back again in order to establish the truth and equity in the earth. Nor Bush, nor your one-eyed symbol nor racist people as you are could stop it. For people like you, this will be your destiny in cha Allah : . Think not that Allah doth not heed the deeds of those who do wrong. He but giveth them respite against a Day when the eyes will fixedly stare in horror,-
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