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Post by kiengi on Mar 12, 2005 20:31:39 GMT -5
America is simply a "Bad Cop." America is looking ahead 20 to 50 years into the future and making an asassement as to how will the America fare in the world economy. Securing oil fields and protecting the US dollar currency is the real reason behind Iraq invasion. Of course, to police the limit of WMD proliferation was not the reason, just in case you didn't know yet. By year 2050, the world population will be 10 billion. Every possible natural resource will be under serious shortage. It is also true that the global warming will lead to Ice age, crop failures will be rampant. Paleoclimate data going back some 450,000 years show the saw tooth like graph. Every 150K years or so the average temperature rises ( saw tooth ) to reach present day warmth and this warming trend last for about 10 to 15 thousand years before sliding back into baseline ice age. Last 450K years, CO2 trapped in Antarctica Ice: www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/abrupt/data_glacial3.htmlEarth came out of the last Ice age 10,000 years ago, and Ice age will return. the CO2 output by human activities only quicken the pace of inevitability. Last 20K years, Greenland Ice temperature: www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/abrupt/data_glacial.html |
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Post by mike2 on Mar 17, 2005 21:17:22 GMT -5
Securing oil fields and protecting the US dollar currency is the real reason behind Iraq invasion. Of course, to police the limit of WMD proliferation was not the reason, just in case you didn't know yet. Oh, please. If we (America) wanted oil so bad we would have gotten it already. Even a claim that this is a war for Israel would be less ludicrous than to say this is a war for petroleum. I am so tired of anti-American sentiment. Americans aren't the bad guys. |
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Post by geo on Mar 30, 2005 12:24:02 GMT -5
If we (America) wanted oil so bad we would have gotten it already. But you already have!  (me clicks the last option) |
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Post by NuSapiens on Mar 30, 2005 17:31:52 GMT -5
The situation in the Middle East is a mess with no visible solution. That's my assessment as an American, and Muslims I've spoken with tend to agree.
The problem is that while the USA is engaging in global warfare, most Americans imagine that the big issues of the day are gay marriage and human vegetables. They seem either unwilling or unable to understand the world as it is right now.
Maybe some day a politician will arise that is willing to really address our path as a nation, because as the #1 superpower at the moment, we need one.
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Post by Tautamo on Mar 30, 2005 17:34:31 GMT -5
The situation in the Middle East is a mess with no visible solution. That's my assessment as an American, and Muslims I've spoken with tend to agree. The problem is that while the USA is engaging in global warfare, most Americans imagine that the big issues of the day are gay marriage and human vegetables. They seem either unwilling or unable to understand the world as it is right now. Maybe some day a politician will arise that is willing to really address our path as a nation, because as the #1 superpower at the moment, we need one. Im starting to lose respect you.big time. |
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Post by DeLacroix on Jun 6, 2005 12:00:58 GMT -5
The great Satan is Arabia Saudi
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Post by Evan1211 on Jun 6, 2005 17:40:23 GMT -5
I live in the United States, and it certainly is not a Great Satan. It is corrupt at political levels, but in general, people are alright. The government is pretty corrupt though. But hey, its a big country and hasnt had an internal revolution for 150 years or so, so mabye things are just heating up out of time.
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Post by Wadaad on Jun 8, 2005 2:47:19 GMT -5
For a superpower USA is incredibly restrained by its own sense of righteousness. It still commits alot of evil things but it is not as bad as it could be
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Post by Mimers on Jun 8, 2005 11:22:49 GMT -5
For a superpower USA is incredibly restrained by its own sense of righteousness. It still commits alot of evil things but it is not as bad as it could be I agree... Better the devil you know as they say... |
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Post by murphee on Jun 8, 2005 16:03:07 GMT -5
As an American, I agree with your assessment.
There is a great dichotomy--I view the US as having at the same time a low and a high consciousness.
Global policing adventurism, crass popular culture, crime,
corrupt politicians and corporate culture on the one hand...on the other, a friendly, educated populace, a great nation of gorgeous landcapes, cities with vitality, a feeling of freedom and endless possibility, stores stocked with every variety of goods, a very high standard of living for all except of course the poor.
Many of us live better than kings of yore.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jun 9, 2005 1:01:41 GMT -5
Murphee,
Empires in the grip of decline usually behave with dangerous recklessness in the attempt to keep their dwindling power. The US is no exception.
I somewhat agree with Mike. I think oil is a reason for the invasion, but oil's not the whole story. Israel's attempts to remake the Middle East, likewise, are also an influence on our attack there. I think the real reason, though, is the decline of the US dollar. Right before we set our sites on Saddam Hussein, he had switched from the dollar to the Euro. America couldn't allow the other Opec nations to follow suit.
(Since the world's oil is traded in dollars, the US gets a kickback from every barrel of oil sold. If they switch over to the Euro, the US economy would collapse. Many economists have held forth on this issue. Sadly, Japan, China, Korea and many, many other countries are rapidly dumping their dollars for the gold-backed Euro. When the world stops using the US dollar as its reserve currency, America is doomed.]
That's what I REALLY think we're doing there: Building up military bases, getting a standing army in the region--to bully Saudi Arabia, Iran and all the other oil-producers into not switching over to the Euro.
This is a battle of life-or-death for the US--sadly, a battle that it can't win (in the long run).
Too bad so many will die in the process--innocent Middle Easterners who just want to lead normal lives, and US soldiers who are lied to about the old phony standby excuse--that they're fighting for "freedom and democracy".
This war is what all wars are about--power.
Only a mental child believes the cant about "wars to end all wars," "making the world safe for democracy," "war = peace, peace = war."
It's all so Orwellian.
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Post by murphee on Jun 9, 2005 1:11:40 GMT -5
'Tis true that the empire's government acts with desperation.
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Post by cruel on Jun 9, 2005 3:03:53 GMT -5
Thw great satan is not USA,but the f*cky Mullahs themeselves! Kill them all!
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jun 9, 2005 8:28:13 GMT -5
The poster named "Cruel," in the above post, sounds like a raving lunatic. If he had something above a third-grade education, he'd know that Iraq was never an Islamist state. [It's not Afghanistan--nor was it ever.] In fact, Iraq was the most West-leaning nation over in the region: Hussein had women in the highest levels of his cabinet, Iraq had equal education for both sexes, women aren't forced to wear anything, etc. --That's why the US backed Iraq in its war against Iran. To conflate Iraq [in the Middle East] and Afghanistan is as moronic as saying that because Belgium is a "Christian" nation and Kenya is a "Christian" nation, that both countries are the same.
Idiot!
My advice to "Cruel"--- Join the military. Put your money where your mouth is. Darwinian selection insists that people of your IQ echelon need to fill the front lines. He can play G.I. Joe all he wants.
After all, Bush says that his invisible terrorists are being led by Destro. Cobra Commander might come and get us at any time. We need you now, Cruel. Only you can save peace, truth and the American way.
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Post by Curious6 on Jun 9, 2005 9:59:56 GMT -5
It's interesting how political commentators like to call this period the 'Arab Spring'. I wonder what people's opinions on these boards are about this?
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