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Post by sublime on Sept 2, 2004 12:03:05 GMT -5
Vitor, you need to understand that Islam is not the reason that Iraqis are taking people hostage. Those are not the teachings of Islam. You need to seperate tha actions of individuals and their religious beliefs. You might ask, "Why are the Nepalese, French and Italian workers in Iraq, among others, being targeted?" The answer is quite simply because, they, together with the Americans are seen as an occupying force. They did not gain any consent from the Iraqi government to come onto Iraqi soil, rather they invaded the country. This is why they are being targeted. Another reason why they are being targeted is simply because the people who are targetting them want to make an example for the rest of the world, and to send a clear message to the Americans that their presence is Iraq is not welcome.
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Post by Springa on Sept 2, 2004 12:22:50 GMT -5
You're right, but the problematic issue is using this to justify more military attacks and thus perpetuate this vicious circle of murder. I was talking about one italian, and now possible 2 french decapitated... This aren't americans! The italians that are there are only doing police work! There are no french militars in there! Ok americans might not be perfect... but what the french have to do with the americans? they were against the US invasion in the first place! look here! www.danielpipes.org/article/2033this killings are only religion related! |
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Post by Melnorme on Sept 2, 2004 12:27:23 GMT -5
Vitor, you need to understand that Islam is not the reason that Iraqis are taking people hostage. Those are not the teachings of Islam. * cough * * cough * |
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Post by alex221166 on Sept 2, 2004 15:09:15 GMT -5
Vitor, you need to understand that Islam is not the reason that Iraqis are taking people hostage. Those are not the teachings of Islam. You need to seperate tha actions of individuals and their religious beliefs. HAHAHAHA!!!  Please, you can't be serious! You need some schooling about what Islam really is. I recomed Robert Spencer's JihadWatch and FaithFreedom International just for starters. Let me guess: to you, Islam is the religion of "peace", right? The terrorists are just poor people right?  Well, have you ever seen a Palestinian Christian suicide bomber? Or maybe a Chinese Budhist separatist? You can't, can you? As to Muslims: - Bosnia - Kosovo (separatism, terrorism) - Macedonia (separatism, terrorism) - France (anti-semitism, violence and rape against fellow Muslims and French nationals) - Holland (anti-semitism) - Britain (terrorism) - Norway (terrorist plotting, violence and rape) - Russia (terrorism, kidnapping, bombings, separatism) - Spain (plotting to re-establish Al-Andaluz; social and religious instability) - Palestine (terrorism, expulsion of Christians) - Iraq (terrorism, expulsion of Christians) - Iran (anti-semitism, persecution of Christians <- this applies to every single Muslim country except Turkey) - Sudan (millions of Animists and Christians killed by Muslim Arab militias) - East Timor (1/3 of the Christian population killed my Muslim Indonesian troops in just 20 years) Shall I keep going? |
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Post by It-Alien on Sept 2, 2004 15:37:07 GMT -5
As to Muslims: - Bosnia - Kosovo (separatism, terrorism) - Macedonia (separatism, terrorism) - France (anti-semitism, violence and rape against fellow Muslims and French nationals) - Holland (anti-semitism) - Britain (terrorism) - Norway (terrorist plotting, violence and rape) - Russia (terrorism, kidnapping, bombings, separatism) - Spain (plotting to re-establish Al-Andaluz; social and religious instability) - Palestine (terrorism, expulsion of Christians) - Iraq (terrorism, expulsion of Christians) - Iran (anti-semitism, persecution of Christians <- this applies to every single Muslim country except Turkey) - Sudan (millions of Animists and Christians killed by Muslim Arab militias) - East Timor (1/3 of the Christian population killed my Muslim Indonesian troops in just 20 years) Shall I keep going? - Italy (Crazy Muslim leader A.Smith asking the Italian Govt to take the crucifix down from public schools and public istitutions because it offends Muslims) |
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Post by Vitor on Sept 4, 2004 14:19:56 GMT -5
Bin laden and followers tatoo  |
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Post by alex221166 on Sept 4, 2004 17:28:53 GMT -5
Vitor, you need to understand that Islam is not the reason that Iraqis are taking people hostage. Those are not the teachings of Islam. You need to seperate tha actions of individuals and their religious beliefs. You might ask, "Why are the Nepalese, French and Italian workers in Iraq, among others, being targeted?" The answer is quite simply because, they, together with the Americans are seen as an occupying force. They did not gain any consent from the Iraqi government to come onto Iraqi soil, rather they invaded the country. This is why they are being targeted. Another reason why they are being targeted is simply because the people who are targetting them want to make an example for the rest of the world, and to send a clear message to the Americans that their presence is Iraq is not welcome. Incidentally, that religion of "peace" is now also responsible for the deaths of over 600 innocent Russian civilians and for the rapes of countless young Russian school girls. And those ARE some of the teachings of Islam. Mohammed himself killed people from other tribes and kept their women (I recomend reading Ali Sina's opinions about the story of Juwairiyah, one of Mohammed's wives). |
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Post by It-Alien on Sept 4, 2004 17:39:34 GMT -5
It's time to fight terrorism (not only in Iraq).
Russia needs to wake up and so do other European countries who are pacifists or ignore Terrorism until it hits them in the face.
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Post by alex221166 on Sept 4, 2004 17:44:02 GMT -5
It's time to fight terrorism (not only in Iraq). Russia needs to wake up and so do other European countries who are pacifists or ignore Terrorism until it hits them in the face. We all need to wake up. If anyone was already experienced about this sort of thing, it were the Russians. I am still shocked how anyone has the nerve to target children... And guess what, some Muslims are saying that the Israelis are behind this! It would be funny if it wasn't such a serious matter.... |
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Post by SwordandCompass on Sept 4, 2004 19:21:25 GMT -5
We all need to wake up. If anyone was already experienced about this sort of thing, it were the Russians. I am still shocked how anyone has the nerve to target children... And guess what, some Muslims are saying that the Israelis are behind this! It would be funny if it wasn't such a serious matter.... Fact: America is woken up. Fact:Europeans are hypocrits. Fact:America said F you to the U.N and started combating Terrorism. Fact:Europeans condemn isreals struggle against these fanatical muslims. Fact:America almost stands alone fighting,while europeans bicker on petty issues. |
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Post by SwordandCompass on Sept 4, 2004 19:22:20 GMT -5
Damned if we do Damned if we dont.
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Post by Vitor on Sept 4, 2004 20:14:31 GMT -5
yes!
It's better to channel the hanger against something than wait for something to happen!
If they (radical muslims) think that fear is the most powerfull emotion, they are in deep trouble!
because Hunger, is much stronger...
Hunger is building in the west, god know what might happen.
They will never won the war against the west it's impossible!
what bin laden and follower might won with this?
Hell in earth and in the after life!
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Post by 88mmFlaK on Nov 9, 2004 18:28:27 GMT -5
Alex writes: "Let me guess: to you, Islam is the religion of "peace", right? The terrorists are just poor people right? Well, have you ever seen a Palestinian Christian suicide bomber? Or maybe a Chinese Budhist separatist? You can't, can you?" Actually, the first suicide bombers were, I believe, the Tamil Tigers, and they are Hindu seperatists fighting the Buddhist Sinhalese. Islamists learned from them... As to Islam, being the "religion of peace"...that's just a PC lie... didn't Heinrich Himmler say that "Islam was the perfect warrior-religion"? |
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Post by Quintos on Dec 31, 2004 2:54:11 GMT -5
If we didn't have all these Islamic people in Europe and the US we wouldn't have to worry about terriosm in the first place.
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Post by Solomon on Dec 31, 2004 20:49:35 GMT -5
Firstly, who are you to tell people what the 'real' motives behind the war are? You don't know any more than the next man. Secondly, the reasons given were more than sufficient. Saddam was a tyrant, plain and simple, and that alone was reason enough to take him out. Thirdly, Iraq was overthrown months ago. The Iraqis did fight back, but let's face it, they didn't have a snowflake's chance in hell, and they still don't! The insurgents are hurting their own people; take away the insurgents and the US would be able to do their job and leave. Without Islamic extremists we'd have no excuse to be in Iraq, they only have themselves to blame.
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Well, have you ever seen a Palestinian Christian suicide bomber? Or maybe a Chinese Budhist separatist? You can't, can you?
