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Post by Vitor on Aug 27, 2004 2:41:31 GMT -5
they kill so easily non believers.
(an italian reporter was killed)
What the hell is inside those people brain?
they don't have remorse?
How islam can "build" up people that do not have remorse?
there must be something wrong with that religion...
If they kill a "believer", that would make them remorse prone?
I wonder...
What is the most worst sin in the islam...
eating pig meat?
owning a black dog?
BAH!
their's values are all f*cked up!
If I was berlusconi, I would send even more troops!
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Post by Vitor on Aug 27, 2004 3:07:11 GMT -5
A person that can kill one person like that, can easily kill millions...
it's not that different!
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Post by alex221166 on Aug 27, 2004 7:00:27 GMT -5
A person that can kill one person like that, can easily kill millions... it's not that different! Actually, it is much easier to kill millions than to kill a select few (at least according to uncle Stalin). Here is something that was posted today in one of my forums: www.danielpipes.org/article/2033 |
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Post by deuceswild on Aug 27, 2004 17:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by Vitor on Aug 27, 2004 19:37:06 GMT -5
A serious bad move...
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Post by Igu on Aug 30, 2004 11:49:18 GMT -5
they kill so easily non believers. (an italian reporter was killed) What the hell is inside those people brain? they don't have remorse? How islam can "build" up people that do not have remorse? there must be something wrong with that religion... If they kill a "believer", that would make them remorse prone? I wonder... What is the most worst sin in the islam... eating pig meat? owning a black dog? BAH! their's values are all f*cked up! If I was berlusconi, I would send even more troops! Yes, But you must not see only one face of what's happening, It's not the Irakian islamists who are going to america to kill people, it's america who goes to Irak to be beaten, same goes for Israel. Saddam was a good president for arabs, If one really wanted something good for irakians and the world ... he would have liberated Kurds from Irakis, and let Irakis savour the kindness and mercyfulness of the almighty saddam.... eternally. The real danger, the real parasite of the world is saoudia arabia, it's them who are building mosques in every part of the world, it's them who are forming and paying islamist prpagandists...etc. Concerning Irak, Islam or not, they would have reacted the same way as they do now. |
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Post by sublime on Sept 1, 2004 14:47:45 GMT -5
What right does the USA have to overthrow the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq and to install new, more conforming governments in their place? What right does President George W. Bush have to call Islamic nations uncivilised? Once one sees through the propaganda one realises that the sole reason for installing these new governments is to protect and to serve the interests of the USA. Bush is not interested in the treatment of Afghan and Iraqi civilians at the hands of the Taliban or Saddam Hussein respectively. Bush is interested in building gas pipelines through Afghanistan and securing oil contracts for US companies in Iraq.
The issue at hand is not religion, it is politics. The fact of the matter is that the Iraqi people do not want to be led by a government which bends over backwards to serve Western and more specifically US and Israeli interests. As has been said previously in this thread, the war was not taken to the US; it was brought to the Iraqis in the form of a pre-emptive strike based on unverified intelligence.
If one was to look at the situation objectively, one would realise that the Iraqis have suffered under sanctions imposed by the US for many years. On top of that it has endured two wars against the Western powers. Finally their leader, albeit a tyrannical leader, has been toppled and there is a risk of power in Iraq changing hands from the Sunni to the Shiite schools of Islamic thought.
In the light of these events it should be clear that Iraqis are not content with this situation. The fact of the matter is that the US’s intentions are selfish and self-serving and not in the best interests of Iraqis. This is the reason why Iraqis want all foreigners out of their country’s affairs.
If the American propaganda were true, surely an independent state of Kurdistan would be carved out of Iraq, Turkey and Iran and Kuwait would become a part of Iraq as it was before the British drew the present day borders.
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Post by sublime on Sept 1, 2004 14:50:17 GMT -5
If an independent nation of Kurdistan were to emerge its borders would have to be settled by the United Nations and not unilaterally by the USA ofcourse.
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Post by Springa on Sept 1, 2004 15:21:12 GMT -5
Well, that's a major double standard.
Are Islamic extremists bad? Hell yes. Do they kill innocents? Of course.
But the U.S. army has also killed innocents there, in much larger quantities, and it's not even their own country. Why isn't anyone saying that "extreme Americans/Christians/"Westernists" see other people like chicken" then?
If Berlusconi should send in more troops because one innocent Italian was killed, then it's also justified for the Iraqi nutcases to keep fighting, since Iraqi civilians are also being brutalized.
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Post by sublime on Sept 1, 2004 19:08:42 GMT -5
Americans might kill iraquis, of course, but not in the same evil way... (cuttng heads in the name of religion) . . . I believe we are demonising america... They are no saints, and there are evil people there..(like bush) But at least they don't cut the heads off the oponents! In my personal opinion, the decapitation an American civilian in revenge for an Iraqi civilian killed by a 1000 lb bomb dropped by the US Army is equally as evil an act as the one it was provoked by. The following is an excerpt from an article about the war in Iraq, written in the run-up to the war. Clearly, the Americans have committed heinous crimes against the Iraqi people all for greed. Do the Iraqis not have a right to respond? A war was declared on Iraq by America and its allies for immoral reasons. This is the truth of the matter. hum... and what about those two french? What france should do? abolish mathematics and implement khoran teachings? I believe there is a clash between Islamic and Western (Christian/Pagan) civilisations. The Islamic civilisation is seen as the major threat to the Western civilisation. I am sure that you have heard what I am about to say before but I will repeat it once more; Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and its number of adherents constitutes one in five people in the world today. The future of the world is clearly not going to stagnate with Western civilisation dominating and clearly Islam will have a lot to say for itself in the coming decades and centuries. Now to address your point about the French journalists and the demands of their Iraqi captors; I believe that these demands are unreasonable. Although, the percentage of Muslims living in France is high, and the ban on the Muslim headscarf will affect this high French Muslim contingent, France is a secularist country and I believe that if Muslims do not like the fact that France would like to remain secular, they should move to an Islamic country which accepts their way of life. It is unlikely that many of the Muslims will move to the Islamic country given the choice. There are many reasons for this. First of all they are French and they have grown accustomed to the French culture. They would feel weird living somewhere else. Also there are financial advantages of living in France over living in a third world Islamic nation. In my opinion, so long as there is a viable alternative for Muslim females (i.e. private Islamic institutions) where they are allowed to study and at the same time respect their religion by wearing a headscarf then it would be fine. Also, in my opinion, individuals should be allowed to dress as they please within reason and wearing a headscarf does not clash with Christianity, the predominant faith in France, therefore, I believe that Muslims are being unfairly targeted and their rights being abused. There should be a mutual respect between the two different cultures. The reason why the French journalists are being held is that the French also have no business in Iraq. You may counter with, “What business do the Muslims (regardless of their ethnicity) have in France?” and I would say, if the French deem that those foreigners do not belong in France, then it would be fine so long as there was an Islamic nation willing to take these people in and that they were willing to go to that nation. I sincerely believe that Islam will succeed as the world’s largest religion no matter what is thrown at it. What america should have done after 11 september? nothing? waiting for more planes? The question you should ask yourself is “Why did September 11th occur in the first place?”. It is surprising the number of ignoramuses who pose this question that you have posed. Do they think that out of the blue, some crazy Arab Islamic fundamentalist just thought, hold on a moment, I think I will terrorise innocent American civilians today. Do you think that this psychotic terrorist could ever have existed? There were clear and logical reasons behind September 11th and it was not the act of some psychotic who thought targeting American civilians would be fun. America did something after September 11th. Indeed, September 11th was used as a pretext for waging war against Islam; an unjust war for money and power. The resolve of the Muslims will not be destroyed though. I think that Igu is right! Arabia is in a process of trying to colonize again the world. (with US help) They irradicated most northern african cultures and peoples, and they want more! I do not believe that Arabia has any colonial interests. Many Arab countries are too busy pandering to the Americans. Their corrupt Western-serving governments are the reason for the rise in Islamisation of their populace. What do people generally do when they are put in between a rock and a hard place? They turn to God. On the whole I believe that the Arabs only want governments who have their best interests at heart at both national and religious levels. This is only fair. I am all for democracy or a form of democracy in the Arab countries. This will never happen because such a system will not suit the Western powers. As it is, the current system suits the Western powers to the ground. The Muslim countries as a whole are divided and the government of each tries its best to outdo the other in pleasing the West. I pray that one day all of the Muslims will be allied together. They would form the most powerful peoples in the world and trade between these countries would definitely bring them out of the third world and into the developed world. Instead of helping the West line its pockets with more and more money, they could help each other to develop. They would be a force to be reckoned with in world affairs. |
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Post by Springa on Sept 2, 2004 8:17:41 GMT -5
About Venezuela, first of all, they don't have a "different" political system. The country is still capitalist and democratic. It's just that the U.S. doesn't like Chavez because he's supposed to be more left wing than they can take, and most of all because he raised the taxes on American owned oil businesses. And they didn't shove him out of power, that's true. But they did try. That failed coup against Chavez had U.S. participation. It's just that it, well... fail. BTW, I'm not pro-Chavez, or anti-American or anything like that. I'm just anti-double standards. First... the reason for the WTC attack was only one: Envy! You could tell otherwise but this was the main cause! It was not because americans were in the "holy land", like bin laden said. It was pure envy! And if it was because of that "sacred land" issue, then this atack was only motivated by racial/religion hate! should non muslims journalists get out of all muslim countries? Interesting... So, muslims could go into france, but not otherwise! ;D In france there is no place for religion in school ! Outside you could follow whatever religion you like. But in public shcool, there is no place for religion! Even christian crosses are forbidden if they are too large! This is the right choise... for an healthy and tolerant country! what is the connection between all those contries (to build one big muslim country)? religion? ethnicity? How I see the muslim religion? A god imposing his needs upon millions of slaves! That is why democracy cannot easily happen in muslims countries... It is the way muslims think. Do you really believe that western powers can impose a political system ? look at venezuela... I would love to see democracy in all muslims countries, but I feal it's impossible... and you are right! most dictatours in muslim countries are noxious, when USA help that kind of systems, they are harming all americans! believe me! But Americans can't impose anything! look at Venezulea...  yes... It's like the clash of XI centrury europe and XXI century europe! In those times religion was in control, religion impose everything to europeans... Just like some "democratic" countries like iran. All Fundamentalist of all religions are Dangerous to the western way of life! they want to go back in time, destroying human achievments... |
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Post by Springa on Sept 2, 2004 8:27:21 GMT -5
They may not cut their opponents heads off. But they do kill people who aren't even opponents, who are not only innocent, but also locals, minding their own business until a bomb falls on their heads. That's pretty evil in my book. Decapitations are barbaric, terrible, unjustifiable. But it makes no sense to say it's "more evil" than killing and crippling innocents with bombs. Or that, plus arresting innocents (no, they weren't all fighters) and making them suck each other's dicks and walk around naked on all fours with a leash on their necks. Specially in a muslim country. So that pretty much adds to the "evil" equation. So my point is, if you claim that the decapitations make it right for the invading powers to send in more troops, the killing of iraqi innocents make it right for the Iraqi resistance to kill innocents as well. And in my humble opinion, both are just wrong and that mentality is what makes it acceptable to kill more innocent people. But at least they don't cut the heads off the oponents! |
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Post by Vitor on Sept 2, 2004 8:57:04 GMT -5
I was talking about one italian, and now possible 2 french decapitated... This aren't americans! The italians that are there are only doing police work! There are no french militars in there! Ok americans might not be perfect... but what the french have to do with the americans? they were against the US invasion in the first place! look here! www.danielpipes.org/article/2033this killings are only religion related! |
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Post by geirr on Sept 2, 2004 9:44:41 GMT -5
I was talking about one italian, and now possible 2 french decapitated... This aren't americans! The italians that are there are only doing police work! There are no french militars in there! Ok americans might not be perfect... but what the french have to do with the americans? they were against the US invasion in the first place! look here! www.danielpipes.org/article/2033this killings are only religion related! You've forgotten the twelve Nepalese workers slaughtered for no particular reason, all these hostage executions are of course inhuman but I doubt it's done in the name of religion. Most of these savages are competing with each other as to who is the most ruthless and bloodthirsty, trying to make a name for their little terrorist groups. Attempting to blackmail the French government into changing a law shows the ignorance of these terrorists of how modern democracies operate. |
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Post by geirr on Sept 2, 2004 10:05:36 GMT -5
There also seems to be a snowballing effect when it comes to the number of these terrorists, the more successful these groups are in gaining attention the more these groups mushroom out of nowhere. After the Phillipines met the demands of terrorists, the number of hostages taken increased dramatically.
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