Why Anti-Semitism?

[humantag]

Flowin said:

Are you kidding me? The vast majority of Americans, being Evangelical Christians, are staunch supporters of Israel and the Jewish people in general. The US will continue to support Israel for that reason alone, not to mention a dozen or so others. Additionally, people seem to forget that the US also sends billions in aid to places like Lebanon, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The Palestinians recieve more aid per capita than any other nation in the world.

I said that while U.S. support for Israel has a long half life, given the long term demographic trends, it is finite.

The sort of administrations that will be elected in America many years hence will be determined by coaltions of blacks, 'Hispanics' and other so called 'minorities' of today, all traditionally hostile to Israel. That is not likely to change.

And most Americans are not evangelical Christians, and not all E.C.s are conservative. Speaking of myths, that is a biggie. Taken together, Catholics, non-Evangelical Protestants, and liberal Evangelicals outnumber right wing Evangelicals, though by how much I don't know.

In any event, the influence of conservative Evangelicals will decline as America continues to shift demographically.

Hell - its all just speculation. I have no crystal ball.

Capiche?

[Yankel]

humantag said:

I think we are pretty much in agreement - by coincidence I had actually been in the process of moderating my previous comments - as you were making your last post - curious

Yes - I think 50-50 is a reasonable conjecture.

This is what I added to my original post that you objected to:

"I see that in my original comments I said most studies suggest that (Askhkenazi) Jews are far more European than Middle Eastern. Well, this is a bit overstated - I should have said most studies suggest that they are at least as European as they are Middle Eastern (as the citation below suggests).

I think anyone being honest would have to concede that the precise nature of Ashkenazi origins remains mysterious. Clearly they have both European and Middle Eastern roots, but by in large they (Ashkenazis) look more European than Middle Eastern.

A more measured response you'll not get from me "

Okay, maybe I was out of line when I called you dense. You seem reasonable. About Ashkenazim looking European, I agree that many do. It depends on where they're from, since eastern European Jews have more European ancestry than western or Central European Jews.

I am well aware of the Crown Heights incident (back in '91 or '92), and the Italian-American who was attacked because he was presumed to be a Jew. I think any white person on the streets that day was likely going to be attacked as a Jew, frankly.

Well, the official statement given was that, supposedly, he was attacked because of his olive complexion and full beard. But I don't disagree with what you said, it's probably true.

[Yankel]

humantag said:

Capiche?

I'm not so sure, honestly. Bush got most of the Hispanic votes, and a large chunk of black votes during the last election. Overall, I think this country is moving rightward. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[humantag]

Flowin said:

I'm not so sure, honestly. Bush got most of the Hispanic votes, and a large chunk of black votes during the last election. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Time will tell.

[k5125]

Are most minorities hostile towards Israel? Why should they be in the first place?

[Igu]

k5125 said:

Are most minorities hostile towards Israel? Why should they be in the first place?

Don't worry man, we are with you, hold on tight

[k5125]

Igu said:

Don't worry man, we are with you, hold on tight

Thanks Seriously even MLK himself was a supporter of Israel.

[humantag]

k5125 said:

Are most minorities hostile towards Israel? Why should they be in the first place?

Black Americans have long had a tendency to be anti-Semitic and now by extention, anti-Israel. We can go broke speculating as to why, but it goes at least as far back as Marcus Garvey, who used to espouse anti-Semitic rhetoric not unlike that of Farrakhan today. I don't think the reasons are really all that complicated - they don't like Jews (and by extention Israel) because they're white.

This has intensified in recent years with the ascendancy of black anti-Semites and white haters Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton, whose transformation from fringe freaks to legitimate spokespersons for black America was facilitated by a gutless, politically correct media fearful of denouncing anything 'black', no matter how vile, for fear of being seen as 'racist'.

(White liberals in the U.S. fear being called 'racist' more than being blown up by terrorists. :

[k5125]

humantag said:

Black Americans have long had a tendency to be anti-Semitic and now by extention, anti-Israel. We can go broke speculating as to why, but it goes at least as far back as Marcus Garvey, who used to indulge anti-semitic rhetoric not unlike that of Farrakhan today. I don't think the reasons are really all that complicated - they don't like Jews (and by extention Israel) because they're white.

And the palestinians aren't white? lol. in their dreams.

[humantag]

k5125 said:

And the palestinians aren't white? lol. in their dreams.

As has long been discussed on these boards, Black Americans like to imagine that they have a close kinship with Middle Easterners (and of course North Africans).

[k5125]

humantag said:

As has long been discussed on these boards, Black Americans like to imagine that they have a close kinship with Middle Easterners (and of course North Africans). It goes way beyond simply claiming that the ancient Egyptians were black.

Good point.

They should check out all the ethiopian jews in Israel. My mom used to work with an Ethiopian Jew here in america actually.

[humantag]

k5125 said:

And the palestinians aren't white? lol. in their dreams.

Have you ever seen the films of black American director Spike Lee? In at least three of them he suggests that Italians are mulatto. The suggestion that Palestinians are non-white is modest by Afrocentric standards.

[k5125]

humantag said:

Have you ever seen the films of black American director Spike Lee? In at least three of them he suggests that Italians are mulatto. The suggestion that Palestinians are non-white is modest by Afrocentric standards.

Sure, I have seen Malcom X, Clockers, I think thats about it though.

Which movies are these you are talking about?

[Igu]

k5125 said:

Thanks Seriously even MLK himself was a supporter of Israel.

Euhh, who is MLK?

[humantag]

k5125 said:

Sure, I have seen Malcom X, Clockers, I think thats about it though.

Which movies are these you are talking about?

'Do The Right Thing' and 'Jungle Fever'. The third I don't recall the title.

In "Do The Right Thing", there's a scene in which Spike Lee's character tells Italian-American actor John Turturro that his (Turturro's) hair is "kinkier than mine (Lee's)", and then says "you know what they say about those dark Italians" amongother things. There is more dialog that I can't recall - the overall message is clear however: "Why y'all Italians be hating on blacks? You black too!"

In 'Jungle Fever', there are a couple of scenes in which it is suggested that Italians are substantially mixed with blacks.

I haven't seen all his movies - I wouldn't be surprised if there are many more such comments in his films.