The IQ of White Nationalists

[nobody you know]

galvez said:

The funny thing is that he has to face a Black judge.

www.whiterevolution.org/

Awwwww, poor little diddums....;D

[galvez]

Mynydd said:

The problem with the WN movement is that the type of people around it is only likely to attract marginalized people and to make normal ordinary people run away from WN.

This is true. I recall an attractive Nordic female giving me reputation points at Skadi after I had been attacked by a Nordicist male and defended myself. Most normal White people (especially women) find White Nationalists and Nordicists to be repellant, and for good reason.

The only reason why someone would want to be a White Nationalist is because he is some type of social failure who wants to live through others. This assumes he is not mixed-race, in which case he may just be seeking acceptance.

[geirr]

galvez said:

The only reason why someone would want to be a White Nationalist is because he is some type of social failure who wants to live through others. This assumes he is not mixed-race, in which case he may just be seeking acceptance.

Living in Australia, a predominately anglo/keltic European nation I have never met a white nationalist. They do exist though and the ones I have seen on TV are just delinquents and misfits with nothing else to do. I honestly don't believe that in devoloped societies WN's pose any actual threat. In Germany for example the nazi skinheads are mainly concentrated in the former East Germany and that is where the highest levels of unemployment and poverty is to be found. Nazi fringe groups are filled with forgotten and rejected members of society. Many of these sad people end up leaving these groups either when they find a job or get a girlfriend which ever comes first.

[Stahler]

I find this question strange. There are stupid white nationalists and intelligent w. n. As for all human society, as for all ideology.

The term of "white nationalism" is however strange. Does a white nation exist ?

[Graeme]

I do not know any white nationalists either. As for the IQ or intelligence of racists I suspect that some are quite intelligent, but their hatred overwhelms their reasoning ability. I feel that all groups contain intra group aggression which is focused outwards towards outsiders. It is easier to blame or hate outsiders for your problems. In Europe in the past it was the Jews and the Rom. Later it was guest workers, Turks and other foreigners stealing jobs and undercutting wage rates. White nationalism is just a form of racism directed against non-whites who can be anyone who is outside their accepted definition of white. Usually their definition of white is Northwest European. Even as silly as their ideas may be it is better for them to air their opinions openly, no matter how offensive, so that it is known who they are. Pushing them underground is counterproductive as they are usually their own worst enemies and poor advertisements for their beliefs. Anyway their ideas are impractical and impossible to enforce particularly in the Americas. In a way panmixis is inevitable.

[Stahler]

On my opinion, an European who wants to maintain the europeanity (whitedom) of Europe is not a racist but an ethno-ecologist. It is normal that Europe remains what she is.
A racist is a person who goes into a foreign nation and who attacks the autochtons.

The problem is quite different in the USA, because almost all the inhabitants are from a foreign state (except Amerindians), even if it has been proved that the original people had come from Europe in prehistorical times.

But if we accept the idea of USA as a colony of Europe, it seems normal that the USA be populated by Europeans...

The "great mixing of the races" is a lie. The result would be simply the disappearance of the european folks by demographical submersion from the third world. However, all the other folks would remain what they are. Always chineses, indians, black africans, arabs... but no more europeans.

If the submersion managed, Europe would not be a mixed country but simply an african country.

"Europe for the Europeans" seems normal.

[geirr]

Stahler said:

I find this question strange. There are stupid white nationalists and intelligent w. n. As for all human society, as for all ideology.

The term of "white nationalism" is however strange. Does a white nation exist ?

I suppose you mean exclusively white, at one point most western European based societies were. A politician who espouses tough immigration laws isn't necessarily a WN, I don't think it's fair to call just anyone a WN because they are discussing immigration issues or tackling certain issues which may be touchy like ethnic crime and foreign cultural taboos. Nazi Germany is usually the example that WN follow, hence the terms 'aryan','nordic' and their manic obsession with jews. I aggree with Graeme that there are exceptions to the rule concerning intelligence but ultimately their irrational behaviour overwhelms their reasoning. I also aggree that it's good to have them on the net (even on this forum), however, most white nationalists on the net clearly are a sandwich short of a picnic.

[Stahler]

The term "aryan" does not disturb me.

aryan, from indo-european *aryos, "noble, brave, lord" original auto-ethnonym of the indo-european folks.

But, of course, "aryan" is absolutely not synonym of "nordic".

[Caipira]

Necromicon, about what "race-mixing culture" are you talking? Racial interbreeding happened here in Brazil not because MTV wanted to, but because because:

1- There were much more white men than white women in the colonial times...

2- White men used to produce mixed-race children by rape and illegitimacy

3- It was necessary settling the country

Now a days, there isn´t a "race-mixing culture" in Brazil. According Florestan Fernandez, in his book "The Negro in the Brazilian society", about 85% of white Brazilians wouldn´t aprove one of their relatieves marrying to a black person or a mixed-race person and in fact, mostly white Brazilians marry their owns. A research done by DataFolha in 1995, shows that about 85% of Brazilians, use to agree with racist sentences as "a good black man has a white soul" what shows that hardly we could say that Brazilians are politically correct or egalitarists...

ALL my friends, use to tell racist jokes (part of Brazilian culture) and avoid pure black women. If there are white people dating certain mixed-race types is because they are attracted to those types and not because they´re racemixers. Many of my friends have dated light mestizas or mulattas just because those mestizas or mulattas were pretty, but nonne of them was racemixer.

I would not deny that, in mostly cases, white women are seen as more attractive, specially Atlanto-Mediterranean types as Maria Fernanda Cândido, but we can´t deny either, that Camila Pitanganga, Sheilla Mello or Vanessa Giacomo are beautiful, even being mixed. You can be white nationalist if you want, but saying that these girls are ugly is homossexuality.

If media now a days is racemixer, what´s the matter? Church in 1700 was racemixer too... The same about Portuguese crown... Isn´t a little stupid creating a movememt just to say how MTV is racemixer? Your sister will date a black guy just if she wants too... Educated and inteligent people will not make what MTV wants. I, personally, haver never met those "wiggers" in Brazil...

One interesting thing to talk about, is that, sometimes, light mixed race Brazilian types have a bigger amount of Caucasoid ancestry than obvius mixed Mongolic northeastern Europeans, but marrying a Baltic girl with clear Asian features would be O.k. to white nationalists, when women with very slight Amerindian admixture are less than humans to them...

White Brazilians are hardly "pure" Caucasoid types. It´s very rare finding a white Brazilian without any Negrid or Amerindian admixture. But they´re essencially Caucasoid, belonging to the great Indo-European group. Even in very mixed-race Brazilian places, as Northeast, whites are essencially Caucasoids (check Krieger studies, for instance).

I can´t imagine a more mixed place than rural areas in Northeastern parts of Minas Gerais states, but according to a research published on PNAS magazine, 55% of whites there, even being in those lands since the XVIII century living with blacks, indians, mulattoes and mestizos have not detectable genetic diferences from pure Portuguese people. I mean, racial interbreeding hardly will change our ethnic compostion now a days.

What I´m trying to say? There are Caucasoids being absorved by mixed race populations and mixed race types being absorved by the Caucasoid populations over here. If white northeasterns still share more than 70% of their polymorphisms with Portugueses, even with ALL inter-racial breeding that had happened there, hardly, one day, white Brazilians will desapear.

I know that this is your fear. You don´t want the white race desapearing from this country. Take it easy, the possibility of this "nightmare" getting real is very, very small. It would happen just if all Brazilians became to marrying people from another race in the same time, what simply will not happen. Even if this impossible and strange "nightmare" happens, there would be lots of whites in southern states, simply because there, they don´t have non-whites enought to marry. In São Paulo state and in another parts with white majority, mixed people would be absorved, just as Negroids have been absorved in Algeria and Alpines in Scandinavia.

Being proud of your race, culture, heritage and the satisfaction of belonging to a certain group is one thing. White nationalism or white supremacy is for people with a low I.Q.

[Necronomicom]

Caipira, the popular anti-black Brazilian racism you talk about is just a form of social discrimination, people dislike blacks for being poor, for being criminals, for being ugly, etc, that doesn't mean they are pro-white, most middle class whites are like that, they tell silly jokes about blacks, but they wouldn't mind mixing with a pretty "whitish" mestiza/mulatta, or even a pure asian girl.

and about WN, the reason why im one is because i don't believe a multiracial society, with very different racial types, could work, eventually one race will conquer the other, either by assimilating, or by violence.

Many indians tribes trully believed in multiculturalism, they helped the Portuguese fight other indians, and today they have no political our social position in our society, they are considered sub-humans by most Brazilians. The only reason why they still exist is because we (Euro-Brazilians) allowed them to preserve their race and their crappy culture.

Giving indians land and allowing them to preserve their culture and race doesn't bother anyone because no one wants to be a indian, but the idea of making pro-white communities bothers all the mestiços and blacks because none of them want to be excluded from white society, they prefer to live in the margins of white society then to be completely excluded.

The mestizos and blacks desperately seek to live and be accepted in the white society, they don't want to feel racism by neightboors and co-workers, they want to freely mix with whites, along with themselves they bring poverty, crimes, and overpopulation, when they finally turn the ex-white city they previously moved into a poor and violent place they either move to another white city or to a new white country, they are the most lethal plague to the Western (white) society. They always seek to be a minority because they know they are incompetent by themselves.

"nossa historica cultura está sendo esquecida, nosso povo se mistura com essa espécie apodrecida" - Brigada NS

[Necronomicom]

Caipira said:

I would not deny that, in mostly cases, white women are seen as more attractive, specially Atlanto-Mediterranean types as Maria Fernanda Cândido, but we can´t deny either, that Camila Pitanganga, Sheilla Mello or Vanessa Giacomo are beautiful, even being mixed. You can be white nationalist if you want, but saying that these girls are ugly is homossexuality.

How can you possibly consider Sheila Melo mixed when you think Adriana Lima isn't a clear mestiza?? I don't think Sheila Melo is mixed...

and i never said all mixed race girls are ugly, just most of them...

[Marina]

galvez said:

A White Nationalist dumbass was recently arrested for littering flyers:

"By now, many of you have heard or read that White Revolution Deputy Governor for North Carolina Billy Brown was recently arrested, handcuffed, relentlessly interrogated for twenty-four hours, and then paraded at a hearing where the prosecutress presented the legal White Revolution flyers he had distributed to the black judge and stated that she was trying to get the F.B.I. involved to make his a Federal 'hate crimes' case. That's right, his 'crime' was 'littering,' even though as has been pointed out to the judge and the prosecutor, the 'littering' statute which he is specifically alleged to be in violation of exempts political flyers from being categorized as 'litter.' Bail, though excessive, was granted, and Mr. Brown is currently free pending a future hearing."

The funny thing is that he has to face a Black judge.

www.whiterevolution.com/

LOL! (White nationalist candidates for governor of NC... What a laugh! )

That would have been something to behold if he had actually WON the election! (seeing as that is technically MY state... ) ;D ;D ;D

[Marina]

galvez said:

White Nationalism attracts people who have accomplished nothing in their personal lives -- making up fictitious personalities online with dreams and aspirations that will never be fulfilled -- because it allows such individuals to feel successful through a (collective) racial identity.

To say they have retarded IQs is a bit of an exaggeration, but there is truth to it: intelligent people tend to shun White Nationalism not just because they are told to but because they know that the movement -- from top to bottom -- is full of losers and degenerates. White Nationalists pride themselves on the accomplishments of "Whites" -- nevermind their own failures -- but they happen to be, generally speaking, among the worst elements of their own supposed race. The group identity masks their personal shortcomings. They are absolutely nothing without their political identity.

Galvez, you're quite good with these sharp, biting observations.

Right on target.

[Caipira]

Necromicon, I can´t say you´re wrong in your last post. It´s your vision and there are no ways of denying it.

Aniway, just a question: What would you do to conquer your objectives here in Brazil, if you could, and how would you do it? I mean, I know you´re not happy with the situation. What would make, change and how?

"How can you possibly consider Sheila Melo mixed when you think Adriana Lima isn't a clear mestiza?? I don't think Sheila Melo is mixed..." (Necromicon)

Probably I had a confusion, I wanted to say Sheilla Carvalho...

[Silveira]

I would say the average person attracted to WN has a need to believe that he is better than everyone else, and this is often a sign that subconsciously the person has some doubts as to his individual merit. Such a person must find some system of myths to attatch himself to which makes him believe that he is special and superior. Racial superiority myths require little or no effort and sacrifice, since one is either "in" or "out" of the "elect" group. This is why WN of southern European origin go out of their way to prove that they are part of the arbitrarily defined WN "in group". WN and virtues such as humility and charity do not mix.

The vast majority of WN appear to have below average intelligence and believe that their racial status, something which they did nothing to earn, makes them important. The minority of WN who are intelligent usually have personality disorders and lack social skills. There are also many more or less bright youths who in their adolescent crisis years are attracted to such groups, they usually end up getting a job, finding a girlfriend, and leave all this nonsense behind them.

It is also important to note that WN is a phenomenon which has its origins in the racially polarized US and some urban ghettos in Britain. It also took off in post communist Eastern Germany in the early 1990s. Elsewhere the phenomenon is very limited. Most European countries have a very strong national identity which makes talk of "international white nationalism" irrelevant.