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Post by gambin on Jan 13, 2006 11:12:21 GMT -5
Hmmm. Interesting.
Oh and I cannot believe people forgot the Great One.....Wayne Gretzky.
Some people have said that he's actually of Ukrainian roots since his name ends with "y" rather than an "i".
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Post by henerte on Jan 13, 2006 11:23:07 GMT -5
Hmmm. Interesting. Oh and I cannot believe people forgot the Great One.....Wayne Gretzky. Some people have said that he's actually of Ukrainian roots since his name ends with "y" rather than an "i". His surname in polish would be Grecki, in ukrainian it should be something like Hreckyi or very similar to that. I'm not sure though.
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Post by gambin on Jan 13, 2006 11:27:31 GMT -5
Stan "The Man" Musial - Major League Baseball Hall of Famer.
One of the greatest players in the St. Louis Cardinals franchise.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 13, 2006 11:54:10 GMT -5
Hmmm. Interesting. Oh and I cannot believe people forgot the Great One.....Wayne Gretzky. Some people have said that he's actually of Ukrainian roots since his name ends with "y" rather than an "i". The great one is russian. White russian to be exact.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 13, 2006 12:01:31 GMT -5
Charles Bukowski sounds very Polish, but he always claimed to be German. In his autobiography "Ham on rye", he tells once in hospital a doctor asked him if he was Polish and he ansewred no, German. So the doctor said, mmm, no one ever wants to be Polish. Well, he is of Polish parentage. Though, Germanized. One famous person whom wanted to be considered Polish over German was FW Nietzsche. In "Ecce Homo" I remember him on several occasions presenting him self as being of nearly pure"szlachta" extraction, on account of strong "atavism" on his fathers side. Besides that, in most all his books he uses "German" in large, as pejorative. And disdains what he called German "Buffalo's", that is, nationalists and particularly, at least later on, anti-semitic Christians (Wagner). It's actually true though, he did indeed descend from polish nobility (szlachta). His fathers side of the family emigrated to Saxony and changed the name from Niecki to Nietzsche. Some time before. So there's another to add to the list. FW Nietzsche.
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Post by anodyne on Jan 13, 2006 12:24:59 GMT -5
Bukowski's mother was a German. We also know that his paternal grandmother was German. Perhaps his grandfather's parents were Polish but he never said so. He clearly has some Polish ancestry based on the surname but at the most it could be 1/4.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 13, 2006 13:09:13 GMT -5
Three infamous men with polish roots.
Bronislaw Kaminski, ROA SS "hiwi" brigade commander
Otto Skorzeny, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer
Eric Von Dem Back-Zelewski, SS-Obergruppenfuehrer of german troops during the Warsaw uprising.
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Post by corda on Jan 13, 2006 16:22:59 GMT -5
...Von Dem Back-Zelewski, SS-Obergruppenfuehrer of german troops during the Warsaw uprising. In this way many famous Prussian families of Polish (or Kaschubian/Pomeranian, Silesian) descent can be mentioned: von Seydlitz (Siedlicz), Von Lewinski (Manstein), von Bronikowski, von Brauchitsch (Brochwicz), von Blaskowitz, von Sydow (Zydow), von Clausewitz or less known von Kurowski, Twardowski, Olszewski, Chodowiecki, Prondzynski etc., literally hundreds of nobles.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 13, 2006 16:53:40 GMT -5
...Von Dem Back-Zelewski, SS-Obergruppenfuehrer of german troops during the Warsaw uprising. In this way many famous Prussian families of Polish (or Kaschubian/Pomeranian, Silesian) descent can be mentioned: von Seydlitz (Siedlicz), Von Lewinski (Manstein), von Bronikowski, von Brauchitsch (Brochwicz), von Blaskowitz, von Sydow (Zydow), von Clausewitz or less known von Kurowski, Twardowski, Olszewski, Chodowiecki, Prondzynski etc., literally hundreds of nobles. In Die Galitzien, we have to look to the identifiable village names, which change acording to whether Poles, Germans, or Hungarians have produced the map. Incidently,The Rus had the swastika on it's Uniate crosses way before Hitler came up with it. I'm sure others have a more profound grasp of the situation. And they say New York is a helluvah town!: ukr-ww2.onestop.net/color.htmlSomething for the kids: ukr-ww2.onestop.net/ss_youth.htmlAnd if you're doing the Role Playing Game: 1st SS PANZER DIVISION "LEIBSTANDARTE ADOLF HITLER" ukr-ww2.onestop.net/lah.html
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 13, 2006 20:50:57 GMT -5
In this way many famous Prussian families of Polish (or Kaschubian/Pomeranian, Silesian) descent can be mentioned: von Seydlitz (Siedlicz), Von Lewinski (Manstein), von Bronikowski, von Brauchitsch (Brochwicz), von Blaskowitz, von Sydow (Zydow), von Clausewitz or less known von Kurowski, Twardowski, Olszewski, Chodowiecki, Prondzynski etc., literally hundreds of nobles. In Die Galitzien, we have to look to the identifiable village names, which change acording to whether Poles, Germans, or Hungarians have produced the map. Incidently,The Rus had the swastika on it's Uniate crosses way before Hitler came up with it. I'm sure others have a more profound grasp of the situation. And they say New York is a helluvah town!: ukr-ww2.onestop.net/color.htmlSomething for the kids: ukr-ww2.onestop.net/ss_youth.htmlAnd if you're doing the Role Playing Game: 1st SS PANZER DIVISION "LEIBSTANDARTE ADOLF HITLER" ukr-ww2.onestop.net/lah.htmlSwastikas weren't just used by nazis. The Russians called it the "Kolovrat" , they say it was used as long ago as prince Svyatoslav's reign. "russian national unity" and "pamyat" both use it. www.rne.org/emb.shtml
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 13, 2006 21:46:19 GMT -5
The Russians called it the "Kolovrat" , they say it was used as long ago as prince Svyatoslav's reign. "russian national unity" and "pamyat" both use it. www.rne.org/emb.shtmlMagnificent! Except I'm not sure it's Russian, per se. Kievan Rus, maybe? The Tibetan's call it "yung-drung."
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Post by wendland on Jan 13, 2006 22:10:27 GMT -5
The "swastika" appears in many cultures, including North American Indians.
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Post by wendland on Jan 13, 2006 22:18:02 GMT -5
Some surnames violate rules of Polish orthography, Ditka should be "Dytka", but often things were respelled upon emigration. So, outside of Poland you find names like "Pollack" or "Salosny" both from Chile. Bismark I believe was aware of his family's Polish connection, by way of Szlachta from the region of Gdansk Pommerania. As far as I know, he had no problem with it. His anti-Polishness stemmed from his ideology of creating a mono-ethnic state, and a state fully under control of a central government, therefore his problem with Catholics (he hated the independence of Catholic schools) and ethnic minorities, of whom Poles were the largest in the German Reich. He was just as much against Danes having a separate ethnic identity in Northern Schleswig. I heard that Wayne Gretzky was of Czech descent, however the "g" is not very Czech, but the name also looks a bit germanized.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 14, 2006 0:05:29 GMT -5
The Russians called it the "Kolovrat" , they say it was used as long ago as prince Svyatoslav's reign. "russian national unity" and "pamyat" both use it. www.rne.org/emb.shtmlMagnificent! Except I'm not sure it's Russian, per se. Kievan Rus, maybe? The Tibetan's call it "yung-drung." Yes, he was prince of Kiev. Though, it was at the time still under Varangian rule, and he was a Varangian. But the so-called "house of rurik" is still regarded as basically the start of the russian state.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 14, 2006 0:16:56 GMT -5
Some surnames violate rules of Polish orthography, Ditka should be "Dytka", but often things were respelled upon emigration. So, outside of Poland you find names like "Pollack" or "Salosny" both from Chile. Bismark I believe was aware of his family's Polish connection, by way of Szlachta from the region of Gdansk Pommerania. As far as I know, he had no problem with it. His anti-Polishness stemmed from his ideology of creating a mono-ethnic state, and a state fully under control of a central government, therefore his problem with Catholics (he hated the independence of Catholic schools) and ethnic minorities, of whom Poles were the largest in the German Reich. He was just as much against Danes having a separate ethnic identity in Northern Schleswig. . There's no doubt he was extremely hostile to Poland. But during that era nationalist aggressive tendencies wasn't all that unique. Ever heard of Roman Dmowski? The only difference is they were able to unite many of the german states under Prussian leadership. If only the lechs czechs and rus' had, history may be different. But then again, Germany only existed for like 60 some years before being cut in half. Gretzky was ethnic Russian. His relatives came from belarus and ukraine. Here's a czech website that confirms it. world.ohf.cz/blr/
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