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Post by anodyne on Dec 13, 2005 16:22:59 GMT -5
Someone told me that in England they (thugs) spend one day out of the year attacking southern Europeans called "Latin day." Has anyone ever heard of this?
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Post by wendland on Dec 13, 2005 18:50:39 GMT -5
What's white and non-white is so much a matter of perception, convention, etc... Especially in countries like the US (I don'tknow Australia, but imagine it's similar). Back in the 70s when Arabs, and Middle Easterners were not so much in the news, at least not so adversarially, Lebanese were definitely considered to be white ethnics. I remember it as my god parents were Lebanese (deceased now). Nowadays it seems they wouldn't be considered white anymore. Yet, usually in the US it has historically gone the other way. Irish weren't really considered white, the same for Southern Europeans. Even Germans were considered strangely foreign, some cities outlawed beer drinking in the 1840s (seen as a German, un-American drink at the time). Over time, though, all those groups have "become white", as white in the US isn't just a color but a kind of ethnic identity it seems. That's why people talk about "white food, white clothes, acting white"-- a lot of things that don't really make sense if you say that white = caucasoid, just a phenotype...
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 13, 2005 20:19:33 GMT -5
Exactly, somehow a cultural implication has been added to what most considered (or still consider) a racial label.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 13, 2005 20:31:40 GMT -5
What's white and non-white is so much a matter of perception, convention, etc... Especially in countries like the US (I don'tknow Australia, but imagine it's similar). Back in the 70s when Arabs, and Middle Easterners were not so much in the news, at least not so adversarially, Lebanese were definitely considered to be white ethnics. I remember it as my god parents were Lebanese (deceased now). Nowadays it seems they wouldn't be considered white anymore. Yet, usually in the US it has historically gone the other way. Irish weren't really considered white, the same for Southern Europeans. Even Germans were considered strangely foreign, some cities outlawed beer drinking in the 1840s (seen as a German, un-American drink at the time). Over time, though, all those groups have "become white", as white in the US isn't just a color but a kind of ethnic identity it seems. That's why people talk about "white food, white clothes, acting white"-- a lot of things that don't really make sense if you say that white = caucasoid, just a phenotype... Maybe because in the 70's, the arabs in the US, were mainly christian lebanese. I agree with you, "white" is more a social label than an ethnic classification.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 13, 2005 22:58:50 GMT -5
here are some comments written by Aussies I found on a website:
*It's fascinating to compare and contrast official and media reactions to the Paris and Cronulla riots.
Muslim rioters: We must understand them. They're oppressed, they're victims. Root causes etc. No condemnation. Vilification of anyone who goes against this party line.
White rioters: Fascist scum. Oppressors. Inherently racist. No attempt at understanding root causes. Immediate condemnation.
Finkielkraut was so right. When they riot, they're victims. When we riot, we're fascists
*In a recent article in the Daily Telegraph AU, John Howard is quoted as stating that he doesn't believe that Australians are racist. He is right, most AUSTRALIANS aren't, but muslims aren't even Australian. How could any muslim consider assimilation into Australian society as desirable? What could possibly motivate them to lower themselves to the level of pigs, dogs, urine, feces, and, oh BTW, non-muslims? Unless it be taqiya or true apostasy? Any so called "moderate" muslims might not actively participate in killings and bombings, but like the so called "moderate" Germans in Nazi Germany, they will continue to support evil with their pocketbook and by not lifting a finger against it - either because they are to afraid to speak or act out against it, or because in their heart they really do support it, but are too cowardly to actually join in. In either case, they are cowards and are despicable. Actions speak louder than words, if there are any "moderate" muslims out there, you need to start turning in your terrorist brothers, refusing hate mongers access to your mosques, protesting against muslim persecution of non-muslims, etc. What have you been waiting for? I will continue to NOT hold my breath.
*On the subject of racism, many angry (brown skinned) Tongans went down to nulla as well on Sunday to fly the Aussie flag. Viz: it wasn't a racist event. I work with one guy who looks very Arabic, people in the crowd asked him if he was Muslim, but his "no" answer was good enough and they left him alone
*Well I am another Sydney resident (north-west) and yes I have a fe things to say about what is happening here.
To answer one query regarding the attitude of the Muslim adults: they support the actions of their sons - in the case against 4 brothers for the rape of a young Australian girl, their doctor Pakistani father said she deserved to be raped.
To those who have commented upon the Christian Lebanese, all I can say is that this is also correct more or less in Australia. They have never presented the problem presented by their counterparts.
Anyone who watches SBS knows of a particular series that pokes fun at Lebanese. It is a very good characterization of what we are witnessing today, except the characters in that series are more or less stupid (and mostly Christian ;-))
Recently I met a woman who is of Armenian origin (lovely people) who had grown up in Lebanon. She spoke of her own feeling of terror by doing something as simple as working near the suburb of Auburn.
The trouble in Little China (er I mean Cronulla, Maroubra, Brighton le Sands etc) has been experienced in other north western suburbs but on a different scale. Over recent years the Castle Towers shopping centre has been the target of the same kind of people - we have to say they are of Middle Eastern origin and not that they are Lebanese. It was quite common for them to attack white Australian youths and to steal their money and cell phones. My own sons were attacked but they fought back and did not lose their phones - they reported the incident to the police. Our police at Castle Hill do a good job but their task is being frustrated because of legistlated political correctness. We are not allowed to call a spade, a spade, we must call it a shovel.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 13, 2005 23:03:56 GMT -5
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by Aisha 12/11/2005 03:05PM PST
Whew! Infidels! Has Aisha been busy last night!
Aisha gets back from the Masjid, and decides to go for a swim. Of course, Aisha is pious, so she only swims in a full burkha. Heading down to the beach, she sees a gang of kafir dressed up in flags and drinking haraam beer. Oh Allah! Thus the wisdom of the laws of hijab and staying indoors!
So there is Aisha running along the beach with her burkha trailing behind her, while a gang of drunken yobs, carrying cricket bats and broken beer bottles are running (or should that be staggering) after her! Oh Allah, protect Aisha from the shaitaan! Aisha decides to confuse them, so she ducks behind an umbrella and sheds her burkha, and continues running dressed only in some lacy black lingerie that she bought for showing self to husband to get husband to "rise for salat", if you know what Aisha means!
Anyway, Aisha is running almost nekked down the beach, and what do you know, there is a gang of Muslim brothers! They start screaming that Aisha is an Aussie sharmuta and a whore and saying that they want to rape her! And Aisha screams that she is a pious Muslimah being chased by the kafir, but they do not listen. So Aisha runs onto the street and seeks refuge in a big building that thinks is a church.
Well, she looks around and there are people in friggin' yarmulkes and zionistish writing all over the joint! Aisha is in a Jew-Masjid! Oh Allah! Aisha feels so dirty! Nearly nekked and surrounded by lecherous old Jews. So she puts on one of those shawl things and runs home dressed as a Jew man! Allah! She will have to make sincere tawbeh for all of this!
Aisha feels like a drink now, but that would be haraam. She is just going to have a lie down and some quiet time with the Noble Quaran.
Allahu Akhbar!
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Post by byz on Dec 13, 2005 23:39:26 GMT -5
The Mediterraneans mentioned in the article are indeed South Europeans, as Anglo-Australians also have a deep hatred against these "Wogs", which mostly means Greeks and Italians. www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17531782-2,00.html I live in Sydney and am half Greek, and there is no hatred of Greeks or Italians here (at least not anymore) - the stigma is more strongly directed against Lebanese and other Middle Eastern people - the accounts you guys have given about Lebanese gangs intimidating and often raping Australian girls are unfortunately quite correct.
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Post by Toasty on Dec 14, 2005 2:15:02 GMT -5
I made a topic about Australians views on what ethnicities they view as "white" on an Australian message board.
The consensus is that what comes to mind for them when they think white is Anglo-Saxon. Some of them consider Mediterraneans (Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, etc.) as part of the "white race".
A small few said they don't consider the "wogs" white at all. And apparently these "tans", as I found out they call the meds there, tend to work menial lower paying jobs.
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Post by nordicyouth on Dec 14, 2005 2:25:09 GMT -5
I live in Sydney and am half Greek, and there is no hatred of Greeks or Italians here (at least not anymore) - the stigma is more strongly directed against Lebanese and other Middle Eastern people - the accounts you guys have given about Lebanese gangs intimidating and often raping Australian girls are unfortunately quite correct. Obviously, Aussies know how to deal with them. I'm sure its not a pandemic. Where I live, the few Lebanese that I've met seem to be the nicest people. When I was travelling in Germany (Stuttgart to be exact), I almost got jumped by a gang of what seemed to be North Africans - it was dark, they had white skull caps. I left the scene, and ordinary Germans went about their business (9pm at night), so I guess there was nothing to worry about. However, if someone asked me whether Germany was safe or not, I'd say it was safe - except for the Turks, North Africans, etc., who go out of their way to intimidate everyone.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 14, 2005 2:25:51 GMT -5
I wish I could get it through to the not-so-racial-savvy people that Anglo-Saxon is not a racial label. They act like it's some kind of synonym for Northern European and it's annoying. Especially when the more educated people do it. You'd think they'd know better.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 14, 2005 2:28:34 GMT -5
Sometimes "Anglo" is used to just mean either English speaking or White people in general,depending on who,where and how its used.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 14, 2005 2:30:34 GMT -5
And in that vein it's sort of like Hispanic.
But I doubt there will be a day when people refer to Jesse Jackson as an "Anglo" just because he speaks English and has white admixture.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 14, 2005 2:34:19 GMT -5
yeah I dislike it aswel of coarse. But people love labeling and over generalizing though, hence some rather mis-used & moronic terms!
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Post by osservatore on Dec 14, 2005 3:48:10 GMT -5
Where I live, the few Lebanese that I've met seem to be the nicest people. In Italy, for what I see, lebanese seem to have one of most integrated and wealthy Near-eastern communities. People use to complain about northern africans and albanians, not about lebanese. Racism and racist acts are directed towards northern-africans (moraccans tunisians etc.), albanians, gypsies. I'd say that lebanese are helped by their physical appearence (many of them are undestinguishable from average italians)- but, on the other hand, albanians and "slavs" are even taller and fairer than italians, yet many of them face racism. While people has nothing agaisnt Senegalese, while tend to be racistic toward Nigerians... I'd say the real matter is how a community behave in the society in which she lives. With, sadly, innocents paying for the faults of the guilty ones...
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 14, 2005 7:35:07 GMT -5
The Mediterraneans mentioned in the article are indeed South Europeans, as Anglo-Australians also have a deep hatred against these "Wogs", which mostly means Greeks and Italians. www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17531782-2,00.html I live in Sydney and am half Greek, and there is no hatred of Greeks or Italians here (at least not anymore) - the stigma is more strongly directed against Lebanese and other Middle Eastern people - the accounts you guys have given about Lebanese gangs intimidating and often raping Australian girls are unfortunately quite correct. No one said they were targeting mediterraneans, but unfortunatly, a lot of christian lebanese, armenians and southern europeans would be mistaken for muslim lebanese, if the aussies are too drunk and can't make the difference.
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