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Post by anodyne on Nov 30, 2005 20:50:42 GMT -5
lol, Why do you keep asking Will questions like that?
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 30, 2005 20:52:33 GMT -5
Because he keeps going on about how Blacks are disliked in almost every society.
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Post by asdf on Nov 30, 2005 20:53:42 GMT -5
Hey Will in your opinion where do you think Blacks are looked down upon the most,Latin America or North America. It's hard to say. I'd say it's about even, even though the former's much more likely to absorb them genetically.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 30, 2005 21:05:51 GMT -5
Yeah in Latin America their way of decreasing the number of pure unmixed Black Africans was by mixing with them while the U.S's way of decreasing the number of pure unmixed Black Africans was by lynching them.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 30, 2005 21:09:11 GMT -5
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 30, 2005 21:21:17 GMT -5
So your saying they had a better chance of being worked to death than they had of being lynched.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Nov 30, 2005 21:22:52 GMT -5
The rationale behind non-White prejudice against Blacks: (a) Blacks are the furthest (arguably) from Whiteness, which is seen largely as a be all and end all. (b) Blacks are not seen to have true nation-states in the Nationalism sense, rather they are a collection of primitive tribes (a rationale that affects Aboriginals also). (c) Blacks have the lowest place on the world stage. ('Brown' people are surrounded by geopolitics i.e. oil and terrorism and some economic development; East Asians figure largely in the world economy). (d) African-Americans don't have their own country - not even the United States. (e) Blacks are seen as permanent victims of world empires. (f) Without Blacks, someone else would have to be on the bottom rung. (g) African-American hip-hop culture and the activities of Black immigrants do little to improve their global standing. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD ...NOT THE MENTION: BLACKS REFUSE TO JUST ASSIMILATE WHICH WILL END THIS IN A FEW GENERATIONS.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Nov 30, 2005 21:27:04 GMT -5
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 30, 2005 21:27:07 GMT -5
You find alot of Black Americans who don't even consider themselves to be Americans like Ice Cube for example who said once that he doesen't consider himself an American,he refers to himself as a straight up African.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Nov 30, 2005 21:27:42 GMT -5
Nowadays, it's more of the contemporary black culture (read: ethnocentrism, gangsta rap, etc.) than Negroid appearance which turns people (white and non-white alike) off to "Afro-Americans."
It seems to me in places like Britain people don't have these kinds of problems because the blacks there are better assimilated. They even speak in British accents.
Now that doesn't mean I have a problem with recognizably black lifestyles. I only have a problem when said subculture is hostile or disruptive to the rest of us.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Nov 30, 2005 21:33:43 GMT -5
Nowadays, it's more of the contemporary black culture (read: ethnocentrism, gangsta rap, etc.) than Negroid appearance which turns people (white and non-white alike) off to "Afro-Americans." It seems to me in places like Britain people don't have these kinds of problems because the blacks there are better assimilated. They even speak in British accents. Now that doesn't mean I have a problem with recognizably black lifestyles. I only have a problem when said subculture is hostile, immoral, or disruptive to the rest of us. it doesn't matter how educated or polished blacks still get treated like dirt. We had a black family move in and 4 Sale signs popped up b/c the neighbors didn't want "their kind" moving in. The husband was an art dealer who had lived in Paris and Nice and the wife was from Montreal and was a professor. It didn't matter that they were clean and handsome and had nice kids in private school. They spoke better English and were probably the most educated people on the block-more than the racist old couple who scoffed at them daily before they moved across town.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 30, 2005 21:41:01 GMT -5
I don't think most Whites would feel uncomfortable if a Cosby like Black family moved next door to them.Now if its a Suge Knight and Lil Kim like Black family now thats another story.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 30, 2005 21:49:16 GMT -5
So your saying they had a better chance of being worked to death than they had of being lynched. I wouldn't say they were worked to death. You don't want valuable property dying off. Lynching of blacks started after they were free from slavery. I know this sounds cruel but you're not going to over work a horse, for example. If it dies you have to buy a new one and it's expensive. Since they were no longer property, and the white elite wanted to keep them in their place, it didn't matter if a black was hanged. No one loses any money when a free black is dead.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Nov 30, 2005 21:54:01 GMT -5
I don't think most Whites would feel uncomfortable if a Cosby like Black family moved next door to them.Now if its a Suge Knight and Lil Kim like Black family now thats another story. This family was culturally european and "white" if you turned the lights off. I mean they were sterotypically white in behavior. the homes still went up for sale even though the neighbors knew they were highly educated and classy. This is the south. they are ignorant dumbasses here. Those people brought something to the neighborhood.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 30, 2005 21:54:16 GMT -5
I don't think most Whites would feel uncomfortable if a Cosby like Black family moved next door to them.Now if its a Suge Knight and Lil Kim like Black family now thats another story. The Cosby Show is pretty funny for a show from the 80s. I still watch it occasionally and catch myself laughing. I agree - most people wouldn't care living next door to a stable, middle class black family. This white racism bit always leaves out that most people find ghetto black culture a threat to their themselves and their family. Yet, most whites have no problem with a black who appears respectable.
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