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Post by asdf on Nov 30, 2005 16:21:10 GMT -5
How again am I wrong? Because you say so? I live in Merced, California, on the north end. There are no blacks here. I've barely come in contact with them myself. But clearly, they're hated world-wide. That's clear. Got it? You dont get it, they're hated where they are the bottom wrung of society. I can imagine for example that that wealthy Arab man would have disowned a part-Gypsy grandson if he was living in Europe. Its not the race of the child that he hates, its the social stigma, or more importantly the fear that it will create barriers to fitting in with the elite, and receiving respect from mainstream society. He must've thought having black blood in his family will bring down his social status a notch. And you don't get it: they're ALWAYS at the bottom rung of society.
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Post by syriano on Nov 30, 2005 16:24:52 GMT -5
will I'd say most Arabs don't hate 'blacks' (for being black at least). if you look at it, the truest Arabs have mixed with 'blacks' alot. not to mention, there are Arabs who are black (in Arabia and in Africa) no kiddin, theres "blacks" ALL OVER THE middle east, shit even syria, and palestine, iraq everywhere arabs dont have the purity shit like europeans had about that.. they freely mixed its because islam . no racism / segregation lol I doubt your intentions are good, but whatever makes you happy
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Post by Wadaad on Nov 30, 2005 16:26:32 GMT -5
You dont get it, they're hated where they are the bottom wrung of society. I can imagine for example that that wealthy Arab man would have disowned a part-Gypsy grandson if he was living in Europe. Its not the race of the child that he hates, its the social stigma, or more importantly the fear that it will create barriers to fitting in with the elite, and receiving respect from mainstream society. He must've thought having black blood in his family will bring down his social status a notch. And you don't get it: they're ALWAYS at the bottom rung of society. Nope not always. Anyways arent mexicans considered the bottom rung in California?
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 30, 2005 16:30:56 GMT -5
in latin america the piramid was
spaniards criollos (sons of spaniards born in latin america) mestizos amerindians - - - blacks
latin americans are usually quite racist against blacks because even in their societies blacks had the lowest status.
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Post by asdf on Nov 30, 2005 16:31:28 GMT -5
Illegal immigrants aren't part of society. And their children, who are citizens generally make more money than blacks.
Besides, "second to last" doesn't really do much for your argument.
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Post by ndrthl on Nov 30, 2005 16:33:01 GMT -5
the true thing is: discrimination towards other peoples is no privilege of white europeans. ive seen quite a lot of discriminated blacks discriminating east asians (and vice versa). the fact that mestizos are discriminated at their home by their elite and at the US by whites will not stop them discriminating and putting down blacks. i wouldnt be surprised to know that castizos and mestizos discriminate amerindians, and that octoroons and quadroons discriminate blacks. discrimination never stops.
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Post by Wadaad on Nov 30, 2005 16:38:09 GMT -5
Illegal immigrants aren't part of society. And their children, who are citizens generally make more money than blacks. Besides, "second to last" doesn't really do much for your argument. Illegal immigrants ARE part of society. Saying otherwise is almost analagous to saying slaves werent part of society couple of centuries back.
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Post by asdf on Nov 30, 2005 17:04:49 GMT -5
Are you just arguing to argue? Okay, you're right: Blacks are above the slave-like illegals brought in to under cut American wages, especially Black wages.
We have a street past the railroad and freeway in this town called "Martin Luther King Boulevard". It's there where most of the blacks live, in poverty, but yes, slightly or somewhat above that of illegal immigrants.
Again, "second to bottom rung" doesn't really do anything for your argument.
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Post by Wadaad on Nov 30, 2005 17:23:59 GMT -5
Are you just arguing to argue? No it seems like everytime you post theres a new point of contention. I guess its enough to say we're opposites, if you say left I'll say right. Of course they are part of society, even if they were brought in to spread polio. Society should encompass every human being, your mindset is rigid and old fashioned...Women couldnt vote for the longest because of this mentality. and until they do something about that poverty status, they will remain prejudiced against. Yes it does...African Americans look down on illegal immigrants, so my argument is right...its all about that god damned social hierarchy.
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Post by asdf on Nov 30, 2005 17:36:16 GMT -5
Why are you arguing about illegal immigrants if they have nothing to do with the topic?
You're not understanding me at all, or I'm not making myself clear--under almost NO situation would an Arab man have to "worry" about his daughter's child being fathered by an illegal immigrant. Blacks are much more integrated into mainstream societ than brand-new Mexican immigrants, wouldn't you say?
My points are these:
--Blacks are near or at the very bottom of almost every society they'r e in.
--Because of that or not, they're not seen in a good light.
The whole Mexican immigrant thing is just an irrelevant tangent.
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Post by nordicyouth on Nov 30, 2005 18:15:24 GMT -5
The rationale behind non-White prejudice against Blacks:
(a) Blacks are the furthest (arguably) from Whiteness, which is seen largely as a be all and end all.
(b) Blacks are not seen to have true nation-states in the Nationalism sense, rather they are a collection of primitive tribes (a rationale that affects Aboriginals also).
(c) Blacks have the lowest place on the world stage. ('Brown' people are surrounded by geopolitics i.e. oil and terrorism and some economic development; East Asians figure largely in the world economy).
(d) African-Americans don't have their own country - not even the United States.
(e) Blacks are seen as permanent victims of world empires.
(f) Without Blacks, someone else would have to be on the bottom rung.
(g) African-American hip-hop culture and the activities of Black immigrants do little to improve their global standing.
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Post by eufrenio on Nov 30, 2005 18:32:30 GMT -5
The child was born out of wedlock: I suppose that´s also part of the reason the grandfather won´t accept him. We´re only seeing the racial angle, which is there admitedly, but illegitimacy is important too. We´re talking about a conservative Arab.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 30, 2005 20:06:39 GMT -5
I was responding to this: There's not very many Arabs or middle eaterners in my area so I haven't really had much contact with them, but I've always heard that they are very prejudice towards blacks. So this article is not much of a supprise to me. A lot of peoples don't like Blacks. That's not an opinion. You called me prejudiced just for stating that, when that's irrelevant anyway. off whites or types like mexicans,middle eastern, indian are quite prejudice towards blacks because they wanna be white and blacks are "less white" then them so they look down on them most.. real muslims are not prejudiced. Does it have to do with wanting to be "white" or not being around a group people who are more likely to rob and do physical harm to them. Not many people wanted to live next door to immigrant Irishmen in the 19th century. Germans were wary of living near Scot- Irishmen in the 18th century, etc. Why? some groups are more violent than others. Of course, people within these groups can change. I'm not afraid of being mugged by an Irish guy in my town. It's unlikely that it will happen. Being mugged by a black is a different story. You say real muslims aren't prejudice but there's substantial literature on negative Muslim (Arab, Turk) views on sub saharan Africans.
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 30, 2005 20:25:59 GMT -5
Abdul, I dont like islam much, but I have to admit that for a few centuries, say 9´th century to 13´th century, arabs were "the white man",
and they had no problemo buying thousands of hundreds of sub saharan africans, and even whies from the caucasus or eastern europe.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 30, 2005 20:41:12 GMT -5
Hey Will in your opinion where do you think Blacks are looked down upon the most,Latin America or North America.
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