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Post by zathuras on Nov 25, 2005 21:23:07 GMT -5
And were most of these slave owners s'fardic or ashkenazi anybody know?
I know that Jefferson Davis had a famous general who was s'fardic I forget his name though I posted his pic but that was a while ago.
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Post by Melnorme on Nov 25, 2005 21:26:20 GMT -5
Don't say "s'fardic", that sounds silly.  His Secretary of State ( not general ) was Judah Benjamin, a genteel slave-owning Sephardic gentlemen. There were very few Ashkenazi Jews in the United States then. |
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Post by zathuras on Nov 25, 2005 21:35:54 GMT -5
Don't say "s'fardic", that sounds silly. His Secretary of State ( not general ) was Judah Benjamin, a genteel slave-owning Sephardic gentlemen. There were very few Ashkenazi Jews in the United States then. There is no "e" sound in that word right? Is that not the proper way it is pronounced in your language? S'faaaaghhhdeem? |
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Post by zathuras on Nov 25, 2005 21:38:12 GMT -5
Am I crazy in saying that he looks middle eastern? What looks so european about this guy?
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Post by Melnorme on Nov 25, 2005 21:41:32 GMT -5
Sfaradim. In Hebrew.
If you want something similar, "s'faradic" is better.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 25, 2005 22:12:25 GMT -5
The only state in the South where your gonna find a large number of Jews is Florida.I bet if your in Little Rock,Arkansas for example and you pick up a phonebook how many Rothsteins and Goldbergs do you think your gonna find not alot if any.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Nov 25, 2005 23:32:33 GMT -5
Jews were actually slaveship owners out of the Netherlands. (After Spain expelled all its Jews, they flocked there, dealing in diamonds and slaves.) Most of the slaveships are referred to as "Dutch" in the history books, but the ownership of the specific ships were overwhelmingly Jewish, with shipping owners named Solomon, Cohen, Levy, etc. * That's one of the reasons that American blacks have tension with the Jewish community, and why loudmouths like Louis Farrakhan get away with their rhetoric. There is actually a grain of truth in his contention that Jews historically had more than a little hand in the lucrative slave-trading business. [See link: www.blacksandjews.com/MarcLeeRaphael.html ] P.S.--Jews also traded slaves on the other side of Europe, between Russia and the Ottoman Empire, selling Europeans to the Turks. (Perhaps another reason Jews are unpopular in that part of the world, too.) |
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 26, 2005 2:24:44 GMT -5
Well I also read that some of the Portuguese and Spaniards who owned African slaves in Latin America were Sephardic Jews.
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Post by osservatore on Nov 26, 2005 4:17:45 GMT -5
Am I crazy in saying that he looks middle eastern? What looks so european about this guy? Er... everything? If you are speaking about Judah Benjamin, he looks absolutely average to me!  |
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Post by zathuras on Nov 26, 2005 12:07:31 GMT -5
Am I crazy in saying that he looks middle eastern? What looks so european about this guy? Er... everything? If you are speaking about Judah Benjamin, he looks absolutely average to me! Thats just because of his clothes. Also, when I say "middle eastern" I mean the shas type of people, not the arabs. If Judah Benjamin was dressed in orthodox clothes you don't think he would fit in shas easily? He is of judeo-iberian origin just like a lot of north african jews is he not? |
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Post by murphee on Nov 26, 2005 13:10:00 GMT -5
The only state in the South where your gonna find a large number of Jews is Florida.I bet if your in Little Rock, Arkansas for example and you pick up a phonebook how many Rothsteins and Goldbergs do you think your gonna find not alot if any. People would be surprised to know that there are Jews almost everywhere in the US, including very remote locations. For example, I am spending time right now in the middle of nowhere, in a small town of less than 4000 people in Central Oregon. (Nothing here really except sagebrush, pines and red lava rocks). I looked in the phone book and there are 12 Cohens. There is another small town in Oregon with almost no Jews, but there is a Jewish cemetary. There is a very small town in Texas with almost no Jews, but there were 2 or 3 Jewish families. Most are concentrated in large urban areas such as metro New York, but I always find it interesting when I see that there are usually some in unexpected places. |
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 26, 2005 14:06:58 GMT -5
Murphee are there alot of Jews in Oregon's state capital of Portland.
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Post by murphee on Nov 26, 2005 14:26:22 GMT -5
Yes, there are a alot of Jews in Portland, I don't know the numbers, but the percentage is much lower than a city such as Philadelphia. Also, Oregon has a very low total population: under 4 million in the entire state. BTW, Portland is the largest city, but Salem is the state capital.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 26, 2005 22:06:12 GMT -5
Yeah under 4 million is not a very large population for a state,heck even the metropolitan area where I live has a larger population than that.
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Post by redbaron on Nov 26, 2005 22:33:59 GMT -5
There were old, established Jewish communities in Charleston, South Carolina and Savannah, Georgia from way back in colonial times. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine the wealthier ones owned slaves. There were also relatively large Jewish settlements in Texas by the time of the Civil War.
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