mmmkay
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Internet Philosophiser, Leftist Hero
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Post by mmmkay on Nov 2, 2005 14:35:54 GMT -5
And which people I presume would inhabit "the south" in reference to italy and have their "strength drained away by the sun"? It's obvious they are talking about black africans (nubians) who were civilized in comparison to germans and celts who were not. In ancient times black africans were called "ethiopians" which meant "burnt-faced people". He's obviously not refering to north african berbers, who differered little in physical appeareance from the romans (compared to ethiopians) and lived in a similar mediteranean climate . While the nubians who lived right on the equator was viewed as the hottest place on earth.
It appears critical thinking facilities are quite lost on some here.
Ummm no. It's not even what I "implied" as I have no idea where you would have gotten that from. What I was saying is that the romans thought their black african neighbors to the south were smarter than northern europeans, for reasons that apparently, were more obvious to them than they are to you.
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Post by Trog on Nov 2, 2005 19:20:28 GMT -5
Trog, that only makes sense if by italian culture you only refer to the renaissance and not to Ancient Rome. And how on earth was Greece not the product of mediterraneans? off course there were other types, but, What kind of people do you think live in creete, the other aegean islans, the Peloponnesus, western asia minor and sicily? These are "Mediterraneans" - right?............ They are from Iraq. So called Euro-Mediterraneans are hybrids of this and older European groups. It is only the older European element that distinguishes someone from Iraq and Southern Italy. At times the older European element is completely absent. If one subscribes to the "Mediterranean" fetish, then it indicates shared ancestry and culture that originates outside of Europe.
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Post by Trog on Nov 2, 2005 19:29:49 GMT -5
Hmm...so what would contemporary sub saharan (i.e. black)Africans be considered when compared to 5000 year old Celts of New Grange who were not?
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Post by anodyne on Nov 2, 2005 19:42:54 GMT -5
"It appears critical thinking facilities are quite lost on some here."
Yeah, I agree. You should do something about that problem. It not only helps you with your scholarly work but it could also help you with your day to day life. Best of luck to you.
"What I was saying is that the romans thought their black african neighbors to the south were smarter than northern europeans,"
You made an assumption, sir. Romans looked lighter in complexion than their southern neighbors and North Africans so perhaps they were speaking of those people? Yeah, I know, it's shocking! By the way, if Romans thought so highly of Nubians why wouldn't they laud great Nubian minds? oh, right.. they don't exist.
"for reasons that apparently, were more obvious to them than they are to you."
It was so obvious to them that they never detailed the brillance of Nubians.
You're a dynamite thinker for tossing out other logical possibilities. Kudos to you.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Nov 2, 2005 19:58:39 GMT -5
All I know is that the ancient Greeks thought the Nubians were some handsome f*ckers, pardon the French.
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Post by Batrus on Nov 2, 2005 20:02:16 GMT -5
Trog, that only makes sense if by italian culture you only refer to the renaissance and not to Ancient Rome. And how on earth was Greece not the product of mediterraneans? off course there were other types, but, What kind of people do you think live in creete, the other aegean islans, the Peloponnesus, western asia minor and sicily? These are "Mediterraneans" - right?............ They are from Iraq. So called Euro-Mediterraneans are hybrids of this and older European groups. It is only the older European element that distinguishes someone from Iraq and Southern Italy. At times the older European element is completely absent. If one subscribes to the "Mediterranean" fetish, then it indicates shared ancestry and culture that originates outside of Europe. Do you have any evidence to support this statement? To my knowledge, despite pigmentation an eastern mediterranean is very different from an orientalid.
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Post by Trog on Nov 2, 2005 20:07:30 GMT -5
Critical thinking means to contrast and compare sources before reaching a conclusion. The whole nation is war-mad, both high-spirited and ready for battle, but otherwise simple, though not uncultured." -- Strabo, 1st century A.D. geographer "Golden is their hair and golden their garb. They are resplendent in their striped cloaks, and their milk-white necks are circled with gold." -- Virgil, 1st century B.C. poet The fourth-century Graeco-Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus noted that "the Gauls are all exceedingly careful of cleanliness and neatness, nor in all the country . . . could any man or woman, however poor, be seen either dirty or ragged." Pliny tells us that the Celts invented soap ,Celts had a great reverence for natural beauty, including that of the human body. Obese men, unsightly and unfit for war, could be fined.
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Post by Trog on Nov 2, 2005 20:09:31 GMT -5
All I know is that the ancient Greeks thought the Nubians were some handsome f*ckers, pardon the French. Their admiration of many male types, including their own, is openly demonstrated throughout.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Nov 2, 2005 20:09:59 GMT -5
Do you have any evidence to support this statement? I think she's mostly right, but then again the Neolithic migrations happened about 10,000 years ago. I'm not so sure admixture with Paleo-Euros is all that distinguishes a Greek from an Iraqi. Alot could happen in ten thousand years.
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Post by Batrus on Nov 2, 2005 20:12:15 GMT -5
If it was 10.000 years ago then it was before the beggining of the minoic and micenic civilazations. So how could greece not be an eastern mediterranean civilization?
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Nov 2, 2005 20:12:44 GMT -5
Their admiration of many male types, including their own, is openly demonstrated throughout. True, but for some reason or another they found the Ethiopians to be the handsomest of men. Or at least Herodotus did.
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Post by Trog on Nov 2, 2005 20:21:26 GMT -5
If it was 10.000 years ago then it was before the beggining of the minoic and micenic civilazations. So how could greece not be an eastern mediterranean civilization? Because they didn't walk into empty lands. There were already older European populations there.
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Post by Batrus on Nov 2, 2005 20:23:06 GMT -5
Yeah, but they must have blended before the beggining of civilization thousands of years later.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Nov 2, 2005 20:24:00 GMT -5
Oh, most definitely.
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Post by Trog on Nov 2, 2005 20:25:47 GMT -5
No wonder Virgil said he feared Greeks even when bearing gifts!! Then again, Virgil described Celts as "resplendent".
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