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Post by Igu on Oct 13, 2005 15:09:24 GMT -5
"The most wretched act and most contemptible is the one undergone on October 4, 2002 by the young kabyle girl sohane Bouziane, 17 years old, sprinkled by gasoline and burned alive by 19 year old Arabs. In the police report, we know that on several occasions before the crime, the criminals threatened and insulted the victim with racial insults, anti-kabyle insults, spittles...The french media made in the self-censorship, they did not find useful to speak about these racist remarks, for them Arabs can only be victims of racism but not the converse." "Last year, at the station of Evry Courcouronnes, during Ramadan, sacred month for muslims whom they want it to be sacred for everyone, a young Kabyle person was beated, insulted, treated of dirty Kabyle and kabyle-Jew,What did he do? drink a a cup of coffee." more (in french): www.tamazgha.fr/forums/viewthread.php?tid=324 |
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Post by Wadaad on Oct 13, 2005 15:14:44 GMT -5
Igu did this happen IN france? speaking of which are Berber-Arab rifts carried over in the Magherbi diaspora in France?
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Post by Igu on Oct 13, 2005 15:17:32 GMT -5
Igu did this happen IN france? speaking of which are Berber-Arab rifts carried over in the Magherbi diaspora in France? Unfortunately Yes. |
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Post by Wadaad on Oct 13, 2005 15:23:01 GMT -5
I dont undewrstand why France would be so sympathetic to Arabs. Since 9/11 Arabs position in the world suffered greatly, people who in the past were so fond of them (eg Western orientalists, Non-Arab muslims, etc) now want nothing to do with them.
But one thing I noticed about the French, they sure are loyal to their friends/allies unlike the British or Americans and if you garner French favours just once, you lie in bed with them for a long time, case in point: Afar minoritys in Djibouti aka "French Somaliland"
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Post by Igu on Oct 13, 2005 15:33:46 GMT -5
I dont undewrstand why France would be so sympathetic to Arabs. Since 9/11 Arabs position in the world suffered greatly, people who in the past were so fond of them (eg Western orientalists, Non-Arab muslims, etc) now want nothing to do with them. But one thing I noticed about the French, they sure are loyal to their friends/allies unlike the British or Americans and if you garner French favours just once, you lie in bed with them for a long time, case in point: Afar minoritys in Djibouti aka "French Somaliland" France is more leftist than the rest of europe, they also have good relations with the Algerian government... |
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Post by CooCooCachoo on Oct 13, 2005 23:17:09 GMT -5
... But one thing I noticed about the French, they sure are loyal to their friends/allies unlike the British or Americans and if you garner French favours just once, you lie in bed with them for a long time... What are you on crack? France snuggled up to the Germans, and were an example of willing occupation under Viche government. They cooperatively exported Jews, and increased their GDP to aid the Nazi war effort. France bailed out of NATO, when it was all the other NATO members that fought to liberate France. And NATO was set in motion to ensure countries like France wouldn't face future military aggression. ...They begged the United States to help them in Vietnam, and then promptly left the country. They have the political will of a jellyfish. They go whichever way the wind blows. ...Including snuggling up to Islamo-Fascists. There's whole books written about the dubious and double-crossing nature of France. Check out Our Oldest Enemy : A History of America's Disastrous Relationship with France. Maybe it's just us. We haven't figured out how to garner French favours. Apparently you have to threaten them a little bit. ...They like it. France panders to Arab low class trash, because they're guilty about the mass killings in Algeria. |
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Post by atlantis on Oct 14, 2005 9:40:49 GMT -5
France is more leftist than the rest of europe, Great Britain has a leftist (socialist/Labour) government, Germany has a Leftist (socialist and Greens) government, Belgium has a Leftist (Liberals and socialist) government, Spain has a leftist (socialist) government, ... As far as I know France has a centre right governement, the second party of the country is the Far Right (FN) and in third comes the leftists. So can you explain me what you mean with "Fance is more leftist than the rest of Europe"? |
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Post by Igu on Oct 14, 2005 9:49:38 GMT -5
France is more leftist than the rest of europe, Great Britain has a leftist (socialist/Labour) government, Germany has a Leftist (socialist and Greens) government, Belgium has a Leftist (Liberals and socialist) government, Spain has a leftist (socialist) government, ... So can you explain me what you mean with "Fance is more leftist than the rest of Europe"? More leftist means that: -The left is more socialist than the average european left. -The right is close to the he average european centrists. That is false: When le pen got 18% of the votes (when he was second), the left got 50% of the votes, the right got 30%. |
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Post by atlantis on Oct 14, 2005 10:45:01 GMT -5
More leftist means that: -The left is more socialist than the average european left. -The right is close to the he average european centrists. You said "Fance is more leftist than the rest of Europe" and not "the Fench left is more leftist than the rest of Europe". The PS didn't get to the last round of the voting in the last French elections. It wasn't the classic UMP vs PS, but UMP vs FN for the presidency. |
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Post by Igu on Oct 14, 2005 11:05:20 GMT -5
You said "Fance is more leftist than the rest of Europe" and not "the Fench left is more leftist than the rest of Europe". It's not only the left that is more leftist, but also the right, therefore it can be said that France is more leftist. I am speaking about the whole left not the ps, The left got about 50% of the votes but it was scattered into 15 percents (jospin, chevenement, hue ...etc). Chirac and lepen got more than 15... they were just lucky. it could have been Lepen vs Jospin, Jospin vs chirac...etc. most of the candidates got around 15%. |
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Post by Igu on Oct 14, 2005 11:10:54 GMT -5
The left got 50% of the votes in 2002.
Lionel Jospin - Socialist Party 16.2
Arlette Laguiller - Workers' Struggle 5.7
Jean-Pierre Chevènement - Republican Pole 5.3
Noël Mamère - The Greens 5.2
Olivier Besancenot - Revolutionary Communist League 4.2
Jean Saint-Josse -Hunting, Fishing, Nature, Tradition 4.2
Robert Hue - French Communist Party 3.4
Christiane Taubira - Left Radical Party 2.3 -
Corinne Lepage - Citizenship Action Participation for the 21st Century 1.9 -
Christine Boutin - Forum of Social Republicans 1.2 -
Daniel Gluckstein - Workers' Party 0.5
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Post by Curious6 on Oct 14, 2005 14:59:22 GMT -5
I think you are both arguing about different election rounds!
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Post by Digenes on Oct 14, 2005 18:41:44 GMT -5
I see... To you, Igu, the media coverage of an incident that took place three years ago is enough to let you draw conclusions on french policies and give your thread some nice pompous title, while the nation`s constant decision to defend the strictly secular character of the public space, is not. But I guess that the needs of a berber nationalist attitude -and every nationalist attitude- hardly ever comply with the requirements of objectivity. They have the political will of a jellyfish. They go whichever way the wind blows. ...Including snuggling up to Islamo-Fascists. There's whole books written about the dubious and double-crossing nature of France. Check out Our Oldest Enemy : A History of America's Disastrous Relationship with France.Another freedom fries eater... ;D |
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Post by Igu on Oct 15, 2005 5:59:35 GMT -5
I see... To you, Igu, the media coverage of an incident that took place three years ago is enough to let you draw conclusions on french policies and give your thread some nice pompous title, while the nation`s constant decision to defend the strictly secular character of the public space, is not. But I guess that the needs of a berber nationalist attitude -and every nationalist attitude- hardly ever comply with the requirements of objectivity. Blabla bla, leftist propaganda of a happy world where muslims are are not harmful, blablabbla. |
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Post by Igu on Oct 15, 2005 6:08:15 GMT -5
while the nation`s constant decision to defend the strictly secular character of the public space, is not. -Yes, trying to change the constitution in order to build mosques is very secular! -Organizing a muslim lobby by the help and initiative of the french government is also secular. -The most powerful media (a newspaper) of france: "le monde" is leftist and promotes the ridiculous concpt of "islamophobia". -When a french commits an anti-semite act, he is anti-semite, but when it's a muslim it's an act of "delinquency". My point here is not to criticize french, My point is to prove that the french are NOT pro-Berbers as some leftists and islamophiles affirm. I don't care about france, I never cared, for me it's just a future islamic colony that needs to be neutralized. VIVE USA, VIVE ISRAEL. |
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