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Post by Melnorme on Aug 25, 2005 8:09:02 GMT -5
This is stupid. Even if "race mixing" was illegalized in every single country in the West today, the WNists would still have all the problems ( non-white immigration, low white birthrate, etc ). The fact that they insist on focusing on this comparatively moot issue is...telling.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Aug 25, 2005 8:34:02 GMT -5
Here are some objective reasons from a scientist you would probably qualify as "racist": What makes you think I'm so quick in labelling someone as a racist? I've read through the first link about health problems, and I can't exactly say I'm impressed. The health problems described are rather trivial ones. Skin problems? Headaches? Skipped school? I've done that plenty of times. ;D It's not exactly like he proves that race-mixing only produces completely unhealthy degenerates unfit to live. Racists would be better off if they stick to the IQ issue instead of acne in mixed-race people. The last lines: I've not heard of a scientific organization that has claimed that there are no health effects whatsoever in mixed-race people. That would have required lots of research from any respectable scientist or organization. Has there been such research? Has it been refuted? I can't think of any period in our time when race-mixing has been portrayed as something desirable. What's desirable is to let people choose for themselves who they want to mate with. I'm sorry, but your link doesn't exactly prove that race-mixing should be avoided at all cost. I could be wrong, feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood something.
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Post by nockwasright on Aug 25, 2005 12:25:20 GMT -5
The study cited in the article doesn't prove anything actually. All the "health problems" listed are highly subjective situations of ill being that could be also psychosomatic.
Then the comparison should have been done with the parents, seems to me, not with the other children. People who "mix marry" may be socially different and then be subject to different illness.
I think it all amounts to one of the answers in the second link: the caucasoid traits are deemed to be recessive, and this is what eats them.
Actually there is no proof of that, nor that such traits are better than the others.
The idea that the offspring of members of different races will have worse health than the average of their parents is completely devoid of any proof and has no standing at all in the scientific community.
This told, even if in a fantasy world would be proved that offspring of mixed race parents are less fit than offspring of non mixed race parents, this would not be a good reason to prevent race mixing or having mixed offspring. We are here on hearth to live as decent and fulfilling life we can, not to generate some sort of super homo race (this sounds villagepepolesque actually), that then could be wiped out in few hours by a dumb volcano.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Aug 25, 2005 13:51:28 GMT -5
You said it, nock. You and your buttchin.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Aug 25, 2005 15:08:33 GMT -5
Isn't one of the posters on this thread Kurdish? She's advocating race-mixing--while Sweden is dealing with a rash of "honor-killings" where Kurdish immigrants are killing their own daughters for the sin of dating Swedish men. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but: Stop acting like Europeans and Americans are racists and bad while your own people are so rabid that they'll murder their own children for the sin of touching an "aborigine" from the country to which they moved. That smacks of total hypocrisy. I'm sick of taking the rap for being "the bad guy," while these easterners are far more intolerant than we are.
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Post by Educate Me on Aug 25, 2005 16:27:38 GMT -5
eufrenio, that blog is definitely racist
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Post by Funky Kong on Aug 25, 2005 16:33:15 GMT -5
On that health thing, anyone seen this before? www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-01-30-mix-marrow_x.htmEdit: Excerpt Today, whites in need of a bone marrow transplant have about a 90% chance of finding a match, said Dr. Patrick Beatty, an oncologist with the Montana Cancer Specialists in Missoula, Mont., who researches ancestry and bone marrow. For those who aren't white, "your chances of getting a match are pretty remote," he said. The biological reason has to do with the body's response to infections, Beatty said. Because the world's ancient peoples were exposed to different diseases over millennia, each group developed different tissue antigens, substances that help fight illness. The descendants of these peoples retain those highly varied tissue antigens, he said, making it tough to match the bone marrow of individuals from different ancestries.
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Post by wasterzhi on Aug 25, 2005 18:43:07 GMT -5
And somewhere, the great Aryan gods weep... for their Indid descendants have mixed with Veddoids to create such horrible abominations as this successful Microsoft executive: The successful Microsoft executive is not typical of Indians, is he? Most Indians have low IQ, no athletic ability, and idolize the light looks of the Bollywood elite which they could never reproduce. Successful Indians like this Microsoft executive belong to a few regional upper castes and practice the strictest endogamy. Not exactly a poster-boy for unrestrained race-mixing.
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Post by wasterzhi on Aug 25, 2005 18:49:29 GMT -5
You're not answering the question. Just because "old trees have withstood the test of time" doesn't make them holy. Same goes for humans. It does not make them "holy" but it makes them of proven value and reliability. A combination of psycho-physical traits that persists for thousands of years is sound, because it has withstood the test of natural selection. The arbitrary combinations of race-mixed persons are risky, and sometimes they are sound, but often they are dysharmonic and unsound.
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Post by wasterzhi on Aug 25, 2005 18:52:36 GMT -5
Then the comparison should have been done with the parents, seems to me, not with the other children. People who "mix marry" may be socially different and then be subject to different illness. Either mixed-race children have problems because of race-mixing or because their parents are a special group with more problems than average. So, if you are right, then race-mixers are sicker than average, so why should we emulate their behavior?
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Post by eufrenio on Aug 25, 2005 19:09:06 GMT -5
Here are some objective reasons from a scientist you would probably qualify as "racist": What makes you think I'm so quick in labelling someone as a racist? . Sorry if I misconstrued you as a militant anti-racist of sorts! I was only trying to be helpful: you wanted to know if there were possible scientific arguments (i.e., testable, whether true or false) against race-mixing, and I provided a link to that effect. Some of the same arguments were balanced at gnxp.com.
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Post by eufrenio on Aug 25, 2005 19:11:32 GMT -5
eufrenio, that blog is definitely racist Quite possibly, but then, what isn´t racist nowadays? ;D
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Post by MC anunnaki on Aug 26, 2005 0:27:43 GMT -5
Isn't one of the posters on this thread Kurdish? She's advocating race-mixing--while Sweden is dealing with a rash of "honor-killings" where Kurdish immigrants are killing their own daughters for the sin of dating Swedish men. If you're referring to me then say it out loud. And just because I don't mention it, what makes you think I support honour killings (which to me is what you're implying)? Besides, you don't know much about it, do you? Honour killings have nothing to do with Kurdish girls dating Swedish men, but with Kurdish girls dating men, period. Or do you think they're allowed to date Kurdish guys? They're not. It's not a racial issue, it's a hymen issue. They're supposed to stay virgins until they marry which means no boys - regardless of race - until they're married off (often against their will and to someone they don't know). When they're married off, it's usually to some Kurdish man, why? Because that will ensure the girl's family that he will treat her (and possible daughters) the way they have treated her, that the control of the female's sexuality continues. If they were to marry her off to some Swede or Japanese or what have you, chances are her husband will let her live a kind of life her Kurdish family consideres "dishonourable". Since the honour concept only applies to women, Kurdish boys are allowed to date whomever they want and most date non-Kurdish girls. So it has nothing to do with race. Where have I advocated race-mixing? Where in "don't care what consenting adults do" do you make it out as if I'm advocating race-mixing? I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but: Stop acting like Europeans and Americans are racists and bad while your own people are so rabid that they'll murder their own children for the sin of touching an "aborigine" from the country to which they moved. Where have I acted as if Europeans/Americans (perhaps "whites" is the word you really want to use?) are all racists? I've lived in Sweden for 23 years, but have I ever once complained about how racist Swedes are? No. Don't make assumptions about my person when you know nothing about me.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Aug 26, 2005 0:30:05 GMT -5
Sorry if I misconstrued you as a militant anti-racist of sorts! I'm a non-racist. I'm not racist myself and I don't care if others are. The only thing I don't like about racists is that they're so quick in wanting to decide whom others mate with, but god forbid anyone would tell them who to mate with. It was a good effort, although it didn't really prove much.
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Post by Funky Kong on Aug 26, 2005 1:40:30 GMT -5
Eh, should i really have to post that link again, folks? It's on this same site.
I'll cut right to the bone: The biological reason has to do with the body's response to infections, Beatty said. Because the world's ancient peoples were exposed to different diseases over millennia, each group developed different tissue antigens, substances that help fight illness.
The descendants of these peoples retain those highly varied tissue antigens, he said, making it tough to match the bone marrow of individuals from different ancestries.
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